Oh Jesus. Now you're trying to say that he wasn't an employee, but maybe a contractor. Celtic had an obligation to report those serious crimes. As it has been documented Stein and the Kelly family were aware of what had gone on. I can see why you want to distance your club from such awful crimes, but you can't. You have to accept that there were people working on behalf of your club that turned a blind eye. It's clear as day to see, but time and time again, you lot make out that there was no connection and Celtic were powerless to take action. Have I contacted Strathclyde police to ask them to open an investigation. No. I'm not sure quite sure if people in mainland Britain can be charged for not reporting child abuse. I know they can be here. Maybe the police should look into it. I'm not trying to wind anyone up. What happened was horrendous but I do think that you should admit that your club could have done a hell of a lot more to stop this creepy bastard and have him put behind bars.
Because it's what your sort deserve, in fact a response to your ****e is not required nor is it warranted, you really are a bitter bitter pedantic prick of a man. So why don't you do everyone a favour and shut the **** up before you make an even bigger **** of yourself than you already have. The ****ing poison must drip from you like sweat you hateful spiteful sham of a human being. No wonder your country is in such a state with spunk bubbles like you polluting the very air with your hate.
Once again you are incorrect Both Stein and the Kelly family denied, in court, that they had knowledge of child abuse allegations during Torbett's time at the boys club - if there was no subsequent prosection and guilty verdict then - and this really could not be clearer - they are innocent. I believe it is called innocent until proven guilty. Once again, your assertion that "You have to accept that there were people working on behalf of your club that turned a blind eye" is therefore false - i "have" to accept no such thing - YOU have to accept that the people deny this and did so under oath - this was accepted by the court - this is the only "fact" that is central to this argument - all you have is conjecture by an historian and alan brazil. And even their conjecture isnt consistent (stein knew, stein didnt know). If YOU were a historian then you would know about primary and secondary sources. In fact, you have not even a secondary source making your argument laughable. As for "celtic" being powerless to take action - i wonder why if "celtic knew" then parents, teachers, the boys club itself didnt? why would "celtic" be in a position where they would know these allegations as opposed to several people closer to the incident? Is the supposition that these boys (and i in no way belittle what happened - it was horrendous) were unable to confide in parents etc. but were able to confide in staff at celtic park? explain to me how "big jock knew" if those closest to the boys didnt? I could come up with a convincing enough load of "evidence" that the moon landings are fake if i trawled the internet - books upon books about how it could never have been real are these correct?
Can you tell me what exactly Stein said in court? The Kelly family denied they knew yet Alan Brazil said they were aware and that they supported Torbett throughout the court case. If a "semi-official" meeting took place between Stein & Torbett do you think one of the owners might have been present or even knew the meetings was taking place. As for Dev, bark all you want, there's no hate in me. I just find it shocking that so many people refuse to acknowledge what went on. Like yourself.
"bark" - grow up of course i cant - the court transcripts are not released - you are fond of quoting alan brazil - he was present - he says stein didnt know - would he say that if stein had said he DID know? and it is a crime not to report suspicions of child abuse here - if any minor reports this to you you are bound by child protection laws to report it to the relevant authorities i note you havent bothered, again, to answer my questions - im not sure why no one is not acknowledging that children were abused under torbett's care - that is very different from saying that the club knew and turned a bilnd eye - your evidence (as i have already made clear) is flimsier than that of other conspiracy theories and, if you actually bothered to be balanced, you would see that you are not fooling anyone with your protestations that this is a crusade for the truth - you are trying to point score do you ever wonder why reasonable posters like dev etc, who often have a good banter with the bears on here, regard you as a pedant and a stirrer? We recognise banter (even if its bad taste) but the worry is that you actually believe this ****! take a look at yourself man - you might not like what you see
You are ****er and a bitter one at that, In the past when people have called you "Bigot" i defended you, looks like I was wrong because you are clearly a ****ing ignorant ****. Not a "bark" a FACT which is made clear by your continuing ****e trawling, no wonder all you ****ing posts are in one spiteful wee place on the GC board, it's the least they deserve.
So your comment about Stein & the Kelly family denying any wrongdoing was just made up by yourself on the spot? So your argument is basically, make up lies and hope Medro believes it. I'm pretty sure I did answer your question. I have not contacted the authorities to tell them about a cover up at Celtic. Would you like me to?
Yopu are wasting your time on this ****ing prick simon, God knows I have tried to be reasonable and debate actual points with this ****stain but like all ****ing bigots he ignores inconvenient truths and will go to hell in a handcart before he allows his personal prejudice to be overidden by logic. That's all he has, HATE, I for one pity him and all his type.
Oft, I only read the first page but now just the this page. Now, Celtic "fans" see Dev?... THAT'S beelin!...
ffs - you are boring now ill make this simple - if either party had known that torbett was guilty of child abuse then admission of this in court would be admission of a crime - a crime which would have subsequently been prosecuted. Show me the prosecution. if you cant then they are innocent of this crime - or you disagree with this fundamental rule of law? ill make this simpler -YOUR SOURCE alan brazil was present at the trial - HE said stein didnt know - why, if stein said otherwise, would brazil say this. i dont give a hoot what you believe - you clearly think you are cleverer than you actually are - you arent and the quicker you realise this the more fulfulled you will feel. and im "pretty sure" you didnt answer my questions - ive posted them here again for you to avoid As for "celtic" being powerless to take action - i wonder why if "celtic knew" then parents, teachers, the boys club itself didnt? why would "celtic" be in a position where they would know these allegations as opposed to several people closer to the incident? Is the supposition that these boys (and i in no way belittle what happened - it was horrendous) were unable to confide in parents etc. but were able to confide in staff at celtic park? explain to me how "big jock knew" if those closest to the boys didnt? I could come up with a convincing enough load of "evidence" that the moon landings are fake if i trawled the internet - books upon books about how it could never have been real are these correct?
"but now just the this page." is "the this page" a bit like "the the rangers" chapper ah cmon now im just joshing!
