Is loyalty a one sided thing? Last year Adel was criticised for looking at other options and was accused by many of a lack of loyalty. He should stick by the club after all he's under contract right? Then we have Rob Hulse on the other hand who has threads dedicated to him telling him to bugger off as he has no chance of playing. Reports suggest he has said he intends to see out his contract and fight for his place. He is criticised for being a lazy money grabber. Is it really so easy to walk out on a contract to a less well paid job at a smaller 'company' as many suggest? I love to see loyalty but I think it's a thing of the past or even a romantic vision that has rarely existed except for a few great club servants. In my view loyalty is just a term we band around in frustration at losing or possibly losing a clubs best players. As for lesser squad players it's not a job requirement, apparently!
Hulse isn't really being loyal to QPR, he's being loyal to the entity paying him three times as much as anyone else would which is fair enough and I don't blame him for taking advantage of the club's stupidity, nor do I any player or person in any profession. It's a short career and he's hit the jackpot- why give that up? He'll probably be loaned out anyway and stay on the same dough.
You're right. Loyalty has to cut both ways. Never thought I'd be saying it but you have to be careful what you wish for. Do we want to to be Man City/Chelsea in this respect?
Agree Watford and maybe I've not worded it to well. The point is we don't care about Hulses loyalty or not. We don't want it as it has no value to fans. However we demand loyalty from our best players purely for what they bring to us. Is that double standards?
To be honest, for me, its an integrity thing. As a supporter of this Club I want it to be a Club that has integrity, plays attractive football and hopefully, on occasions, wins things. If we signed the contract without a gun to our head, then we honour the contract.
I think we want loyalty from them all; it's just not as big a deal to have it from some players. It's no different to any walk of life I guess. If your best salesman pisses off down the road then you're gutted. If the bloke who can't read the script and spends all day drinking coffee decides to leave and sign on you're not really bothered.
Hulse has no chance of playing hence is only staying for the money. Adel wanted to leave to get more money. Both players were being selfish which is their right but Im quite happy to dump players after theyve served their usefulness and dont believe we should hamstring ourselves out of some kind of misguided loyalty.
But if that bloke is not willing to take a big pay cut and go to a much smaller competitor whilst he has a contract in place despite the company not really using him does that make him bad or deserving of a load of stick?
Totally agree Flyer, no room for sentiment and ultimately if we accept we can't expect loyalty from a player, it is just a nice to have then were probably all on an even footing!
No, it's not his fault he was given a contract far above his worth. By all means do his all to improve, and I'm sure Hulse is the sort to train as hard as he can and do as good a job as he can if required (as he did at Villa last season), but I'd never expect anyone to worsen their personal situation because their colleagues are of a higher standard than they are.
Reading the headline all I could think about was Paulo Sousa's first teamtalk, laugh of the day, cheers 74 Super post 74 and a great follow up to the OP
Sadly ,loyalty is a thing of the past in the workplace. The days of walking out of school and stright into a job where you stayed until you retired are long gone Partly because your company will dump you without feeling as soon as you start to cost them money, but also because , companies need to employ people with diverse skill sets that have worked in other similar positions. They are willing to pay handsomely for this experience and this is what makes people move in thier careers. The process is the same at footie clubs so i dont really think we can expect to much loyalty from the players. the dont always have the best working conditions do they ? All we can expect is that our employees do thier best for our company (club) and earn thier pay...same as anywhere else. i know its not a typical job (to us)..but to some of them thats exactly what it is...If they work thier nuts off for 90 mins every Sat and all wek during training, then I'm happy...gifted or not. I think thats what makes the likes of Mackie so likeable...IMHO Now if i had an employee like Tarbs.........Not sure id promote him....!!
i do feel like hulse gets un fair stick on the site. We are all guessing that he is for the chop. we dont know who else we have planned or will bring in. for all we know we might sell dj and bettie instead as they will get a better prise and keep rob as a squad member. I am pretty sure if he knew he would not be playing and another club wanted him he would go. i dont think any one has said yet as mark wants to get players in before he lets some go
On my first day at work in 1970 I was told by the guy who was my supervisor "Always remember sonny, you're just a number on the payroll", I didn't really give it much thought at the time, as you don't really care when you're a 16 year old, but as you progress in life it becomes clearer and clearer that it really is just that. I spent 30 years in my last job but was one of 16 made redundant in March simply to cut costs because the people paid the really big money had got their sums wrong, they, of course, kept their jobs. I'm ok because I had enough service to claim my full pension benefits without penalty but none of the others were. Few have found other jobs since and many of them had 15-20 years service. In football it's different in that it's a short career and players hold the whip hand. Hulse was signed because Warnock thought he could do a job for us and someone offered him silly money, he'd have been a fool to say no to it. Now, due to injury and loss of form he's clearly surplus to requirements but, for whatever reason, he won't go on loan and just draws his wage. How many of us have been in a job we hate but can't afford to pack it in? We don't know all the circumstances behind his situation so it's a bit unfair to slate him. Sadly, football fans are very fickle, you can go from hero to zero in no time and it's not the boss you have to impress, it's a ground full of baying punters whose expectations often outmatch a player's ability...
hang on. how does any one know he wont go on loan. who knows what clubs have asked if they can buy him or loan him. for all we know, no one wants him. All he has said is that he is a qpr player and he has not be told otherwise
Clubs will normally circulate lists of players released or available, if he's not in the squad he'll be on that list. Obviously, there may well be no takers, so that would be the reason he won't go on loan...
I'd be surprised if there were no takers if it was a free loan. If we are looking for even a 25% wage contribution then it would probably rule out all clubs below the Championship. If the bloke has a young family (as I assume he does, I have no idea) then he'll probably want to be somewhere local which rules out all but a few clubs. Palace maybe.
