I really wasnt trying to be funny, if I was your sides would have a chasm in them right now. It was a quiet day and I was borerd ****less and I'd suggest that 3 pages of comments on a day when nothing was being discussed make it worthwhile. Or shall we instead pick random numbers between 1 and 24 of where we think City will finish this season? I'll go for 8 and a quarter.
Yeah, I'm missing Adam Pearson and Nicky Barmby. Two of the biggest names in our history for all the right reasons. Like Harold Needler, Pearson took a flatlining club and rebuilt it. People have very short memories and don't recall the Hull City that AP bought. We still had that club crest designed by Buchanan's son, our ground was a rotting dump and we'd got accustomed to the bottom half of Division 4. He re-installed faith and integrity, opened up communication with the fans, launched a radio station, launched a glossy club magazine, got proper sponsors in, got proper kit manufacturers in, goat two promotions, got numerous U21 games to the KC, got us back credibility nationally for being a well-run successful club that others could aspire to, and many, many other things besides. Barmby is the greatest footballer this city has ever produced. He was on 20k a week at Leeds in the Prem, and took an 80% pay cut to come and play for us in League One. His time with the club saw us win two promotions, the second of which was the greatest day in our lives. The achievements of these two place them at the top table of Hull City legends. I suspect Barmby was pressured into becoming manager, and did do because he didn't want to let down the club he supports by refusing them. I don't know what happened with AP and what part the Allams had in the decision to buy Hull when it seemed that Hull were a big stumbling block in a potential move to Melton. I doubt we will ever know the truth on that one. I will reserve judgement on SB until he's had a full season under his belt. Something his predecessor was unable to have. As for the current regime, they may know how to cut costs but there is more, much, much more to a football club than reducing it to a mere balance sheet. I support a football club not a business.
The best way to not be bored is create an original thread- BIG FAT TIGER TIP OF THE DAY! No worries mate, I can't see many people changing their minds either way just yet on this anyhow.
I was disappointed when Nick left, but the Allam's have backed their actions by appointing a manager who has been there and done it with promotion from this league. Obviously Bruce needs to get the results, but I am happy to have him here as manager despite been disappointed not to see Nick here developing as a manager. I think in time Nick would have developed into a good manager, and the confidence many of us are feeling going into this season may have been in a couple of seasons time had he still been here. Things didn't always go to plan or succeed when he was here as manager, but he was inexperienced in the managers role and like all managers would have leanred from his mistakes and naivety and become a better manager from it. It seems incredibly harsh for some to write off his ability as a manager after only 7 months in the role. Like us all in a new situation, we make mistakes but we learn from them and become better for it. Sir Alex didn't exactly start by winning trophies left right and centre and look at what he has achieved over time. There was evidence that Nick could make it as a manager, and i'm sure he will learn from the mistakes during his time with us as a manager. As for Pearson, I feel indifferent to his exit. Once he got involved with FC things looked like they wouldn't be the same with him and the Allams. The guy is a legend from helping save the club when it was on its knees in 2001 and brought us our first taste of success in 20 years with back to back promotions. His second stint here seems to split fans' opinions, but he came back again when the club was getting into a mess financially and unfortunately the writing looked to be on the wall with relegation from the premier league that season. Sacking Brown made no difference, we were a poor team for most of that season and the results showed that. We needed a clean slate for the following season and he brought in a manager who had reached the top 6 the previous season and managed to ease the financial problems at the club by trimming the wage bill and helping bring in the Allams. I suspect things may not have turned out as well had Duffen and Bartlett still been about post premier league. For those who knock him from his second stint here, just remember he played a big part in ensuring greater stabability after relegation and helping set up what we can currently look forward to.
People knock Pearson but he left us in the play-offs with a squad that couldn't score goals, I have a feeling that people will look back a bit more kindly on him as time passes. I think the fact that he didn't play the media right arguably is the main bug-bear people have with him and led to him being unpopular with a lot of fans but the results stood up and he got us back on a solid footing. Wouldn't ever have him back but his record stands up.
i think we will start next season in a stronger position then we would if they where still here to be honest.. still think the way he was treated was wrong tho, and that will never change, sometimes if a manager loses a few games and everbody turns on him they are called fickle, it also works the other way tho..we spend a few quid on a striker etc and people are like nick who? etc...which is just as fickle imo
I think you have the essence of it! Not a view I can share on all levels, but probably one of the best stated I have seen on any board for a very long time.
I can't see how leaving the club in the play-offs makes a manager 'not good enough for us' i reckon Mr Warner is grinding an axe there! Fair enough disliking the man for being a miserable git but results stood up when we didnt have the players- a sign of a very tactically astute manager. Maybe he is a knob but he was 'good enough for us'.
We've only bought one player. We've got absolutley no idea what any of the new players are earning either. SO it's not looking like anything. The problem with Duffen wasn't how much he spent. It was how much he spent more than what we had. The Allams can at least back up a couple of million euro in overspend. Bartlett didn't have a pot to piss in.
Great point! And also, Duffen had the players sign stupid contracts whereas I think the Allams will be a bit more cautious in giving players 4 Year deals and a tiny (if any at all) amount in pay cut for relegation clause. We aren't -Fingers crossed - going to have that problem again.
Keep them crossed. Previous owners have not walked away with a cheery wave and good luck message, they have screwed us. Contrary to what some people on here believe, rich men do not shower their money around like confetti then walk away with an empty wallet.....
Nope. Nigel was getting us higher all the time until he left but we only reached 8th at that point, Barmby took us a bit further into the playoffs and then everyone started crying when didn't manage to keep us there with a squad of 12 players and we ended up finishing 8th, exactly where NP left us. This is my concern too. Things are going well now but this could all have been done with Nick in charge. The OP's question was "Could we really see us signing these players with Nick and Adam?" Obviously with those two we hardly ever signed anyone proven and the same goes for Nigel Pearson but that was completely down to the lack of money from above them, anyone who still thinks they all deliberately chose to buy frees and loans the entire time when the Allam's were keen to spend is just daft. The money wasn't there, the money is there now. Things are fine now but that doesn't stop some of us feeling sorry for two club icons who were ****ed off all over a lack of trust in their own decision by the owners. Also, if the club was financially stable (out of Pearons control) Brown would not have been sacked. It was an act of desperation to try and sort things out because relegation really wasn't an option. Something had to be done and no other ****er was going to come and save us. Sacking NB cost him plenty. If he hadn't done that we would still be scraping the barrel on signings and not buying Proschwitz/Aluko/Faye. Bollocks. This is also my feeling on Barmby. The long-term plan was right. The thing I find most ridiculous though is that loads of fans on here seem to think that because Barmby was young for a manager that he was totally stupid; that he didn't realise that a lone striker meant he had more work to do. Of course he was fully aware of that but saw enough on the training ground every day to make him think it was thr right decision. Personally 1 up front is not my favourite system but it's just daft to suggest that a manager just because he isn't 40 yet mustknow nothing at all about football. Some of things being blamed on Barmby's inexperience are ridiculous. Like that he didn't sign anyone because he was inexperienced. Yeah because all 20,000 of us fans knew we needed players but Barmby didn't? Don't be silly of course he knew.
You can only call in a loan if there are assets to cover that loan. At the moment, we could only cover about a quarter of it. I've criticised the Allam's for their handling of the Nick situation, but I'd never suggest they were in it for the money, they're a million miles from ever being able to get their money out.
I'm not suggesting they are in it for the money. When the time comes for them to leave, I think there will probably be a lot of financial strings attached.....making nonsense of the statement that they have 'spent' 50 million on City.
