Yankee- 100% spot on with that post mate, its not new to us either, roberto martinez was the same,if not worse than Brenden. We as fans dont expect him to be our friend but we do expect him to honour what was put in writing/agreed with Jenkins RE our players. There are many who think our club will be well served with £15m quid, i made my views felt on this a few weeks ago but to put it simply, selling Joe allen will be harmful to our club and it will send out the wrong message to other memebers of the playing staff as well. We could throe £15m at another player but what many fail to realise is that we have a tight budget with regards our pay structure,paying a fee is one thing but paying a player worth that value 25k a week will just not happen!! we would need to spend upwards of 30-40k a week,that will cause unrest in the dressing room and open up a whole can of worms, i would rather us do everything in our power to keep Allen,even offering him parity with the top earners if needs be,its not so much the player but where it will leave the club afterwards with the other players, selling your best can be seen as a lack of ambition to some and it will also send out the signal to other clubs that our family silver is for sale at the right price! We have enjoyed flying under the radar in recent seasons but Brendens love of talking certainly raised our profile last year, Norwich and QPR havent suffered so badly with speculation and i feel the unwanted highlighting of our players by him has unsteadied the ship a little bit. Im not daft enough to think we will be able to resist selling the odd player or two when the big clubs come calling but this MUST be tempered for this season, there has been upheaval with rodgers going and also siggy and caulker moving on,sinclair looks like he might be off so to lose Joe allen as well would mean it is wholesale change at a critical time! Rodgers showed his colours over the Siggy deal but we could argue he wasnt ours anyway, going for Joe on the back of the disruption already caused by his departure is showing a lack of respect for Huw Jenkins and the Swans. Liverpool fans perhaps dont understand the fine balance of things within our squad, nor should they really care, but for us the guy is making Laudrups job alot harder and is unsettling a player who could be crucial to our survival hopes this season, as ive said before, i dont think any Jacks dislike anything about Liverpool, they are a fine football club and institution and i have no issue with them but IMO Brenden Rodgers is using the media to screw us over and make a second premier season even harder for us,maybe he is worried that he will under acheive and we will over acheive?? Liverpool must have young players as talented as Joe Allen ??why doesnt he save £15m quid and use them ?
God I hope so they can then send one to Mrs Browns thicker feckin son. Who is now apparently calling our Chairman a liar! Yankee absolutely spot on pal. Brenda is totally out for himself and even though some scouse supporting posters on here seem to think it's ok to renege on a deal, honest and trustworthy people still believe a mans word actually means something!
Swansea got Rodgers his job at Liverpool more than Brendan did . He was lucky to get his job with us , & a fine job he did with us , after his whole year experience with Watford & Reading .!
... Nope, not doing that. Sorry. I'll send you a link to every thread I comment on if you want to call me names everywhere I go. How does that sound? I think he's trying to do a hard thing - balance fans, the media and his reputation with both. It must be harder than it looks to us, the fans, who descend and pick apart comments and suggestions like vultures. But I completely see what you're saying, of course. Well, we certainly all believe Suso is the future - but he's still very young, however impressive he is, and he needs to keep working. There is great belief that Henderson can become very akin to Allen - his main attributes are his engine, his short passing and composure on the ball. We've yet to see him kick a ball under Rodgers yet though, so we'll see. Gerrard is coming to the end and will most likely get injured. Aquilani, Cole and Adam probably won't be at the club next season. Lucas is great and will fit perfectly, but the only back up is Spearing, who again may not be at the club by September. We need options - at the moment we have Gerrard, Lucas and Henderson who are definitely going to be at the club next season. In that light, can you see why we'd be interested?
Who the F88k cares ? By the Way do you ever post on the puddle board ? Doesn't seem so, otherwise you would be aware of Brendas plans. You really are a fecking idiot !
Im sure we can keep this on topic guys The whole liverpool thing is going to be very intresting for us swans, we dont yet know how ML is going to do but the early signs in the transfer market have been impressive, he also has plenty of experience and studied the swans job before throwing his hat into the ring, he wouldnt be here if he didnt think he could do a good job. Rodgers has it all to do at Liverpool,seeing him flicking through his clipboard with JW henry the other day looked very odd to me and had a whiff of a man not 100% comfortable in his environment,never the less if given time he could do well. Many Liverpool fans seem to be unsure of how rodgers is going to do, i personally think gerrard will be the weak link and may be the major stumbling block in liverpools progress,how rodgers deals with this will determine if he is successful or not. As he seems intent on taking Allen i get the feeling that his ideas are harder to get accross up there and he needs ready made players to help intergrate his way of playing, its not just he passing its the whole closing down in a unit that makes the differrence and working off the ball is something that some superstars might not like the idea of. Laudrup is a man of few words but how could you possible argue with a guy who was one of the greatest players of all time, any problems here and all he has to say is "lets get the medals out and see who has won what" laudrup has more medals then the entire squad put together at swansea, brenden only has a clipboard,if the liverpool players dont like what they see they will not be running through brick walls for the manager,unlike our lot,liverpools players have seen alot of top calibre managers and could probably smell bull**** at a 100 yards!! it will be intresting ..
You do, evidently. Also, everyone on this thread so far does, as it addresses the issue at hand. If you go there, you'll see that I do, whatever it 'seems' like to you. Now, really, I can't keep dismissing your posts as irrelevancies everywhere I go; please grow up.
Sorry, I think this guy is obsessed with me a little. I'm not sure why, and he's certainly the opposite of the other Swansea fans on here, who all seem to be open for debate and opinions. I think your signings have been both shrewd and impressive. Laundrup has a reputation for it with good reason it seems. I think a lot of fans are put off by the fact he's not a Capello or a Pep. We were spoilt with Rafa, really. A large portion of fans are very excited however (like me). Another problem is that we still have a lot of young supporters who want FIFA style success, and hordes of foreign fans who don't really seem to know much about how it all works (just look at the comments on football sites like goal.com). Gerrard is an interesting one that's splitting our opinions at the moment. To fit, he obviously needs to cut the urge to play long balls and 'hollywood' passes. He's obviously ageing and is suffering now for the amount we over-played him in his early twenties. Personally, I think that the best footballers are the intelligent footballers - and Gerrard is certainly one of them. He should be able to fit into new systems because he has the talent and the attitude. His ageing might actually help - he has to play the system because he doesn't have the legs to make the driving runs he used to love. He's always been a very accomplished passer of the ball across a wide range of passing types. People concentrate on his shots and his freekicks, but what I've always loved about Gerrard is that he's very European also - he drops deep, spreads play, plays one touch passes and always makes himself available. He's very accurate and rarely gets caught on the ball. Personally I think, with some discipline, he should be fine. My great hope is that as he ages he will play deeper and deeper (like Pirlo or Scholes). I think all managers go for players they worked with before initially, or ones that speak the language. Rafa took Aurelio from Valencia for instance, Houllier brought legions of French players (who were largely terrible). Rodgers brought Sinclair and Borini to Swansea. I doubt Allen will end our summer dealings, if we get him, and I expect we'll buy from another club than just Swansea! On closing down, we did it with Rafa, and Kenny. The players will do it or they'll be gone, frankly. We're not Chelsea, there is respect and professionalism here. Carragher has a reputation for bollocking anyone that steps out of line, also... not a happy thought that. yes Brendan has a long way to go to match Laundrup's achievements in football! Ironic that Laundrup never went to the Euros the year Denmark won it because he didn't think they had a chance I'd like to think that the players are sick of underachieving by now and will step it up. If Rodgers makes a good impression on them, I'd hope that they will work for him. Some, like Gerrard, Carra, Kelly and so on are locals, and will give 100% regardless. Next season should be great. Looking forward to seeing Southampton back up in particular.
Norway ... the point you made above about salary structure is actually extremely important. Our cost structure is probably one of the lowest in the Prem. This is a great advantage, but with every new signing, every new contract or extension our cost structure inflates. If we lose Allen, we lose his talent and his cost component. To replace him we not only have the problem of equal or better in terms of talent, but we're going to have to inflate our cost structure with the replacement's contract. So regardless of how much we get for Allen and who we replace him with - unless we find some wundakid from somewhere nobodies heard of - we're going to inflate our cost structure and chew up revenue that at this point I think we would rather not do or at least prolong the inevitable (cost / wage inflation) as long as we can.
Intresting that you mention gerrard and his game, i see lucas being the lynch pin and defensive sheild,keeping it simple, he is perfect for rodgers. you will have two wide players (whoever they will be) borini up front surez in the hole and gerrard trying to play all them positions in one!! a good system depands on disipline and im not sure if gerrard will have that, he likes to be the main focal point IMO and even if he buys into it there is still a tendency at liverpool to just give him the ball when in doubt, at swansea any player on the field is happy to take the ball and keep it(except maybe sinclair) . A very intresting point was made by gary neville the other day RE the england team at the euro's, he was saying that the message was to keep the ball but players still tried to over play the pass and force the "hollywood" ball, gerrard was one of these players, so i didnt see any curbing of his game to suit the tactical message that management were giving him, that has to be an issue for rodgers,who hates to see long passes and loss of posession
Exactly Yankee, and its a point that many swans fans on this forum are not picking up on, i made this point on an allen thread earlier in the week as well, people think thst getting £15m quid will make it easy to find a replacement, well, it wont for us because we have a very rigid pay structure and cannot attract high calibre players unless we break it (think Siggy on this one) Brenden and the board made a special case for siggy and his wages were beleived to 30k a week, this was a one off and a trust exercise in Brenden Roders beleive that he would prove to be a strong asset. Inflating cost structure is ok for a one off like Siggy, who was proven and at the right age and im almost certain that his wage demands would have been with the blessing of the dressing room and not detrimental to it, there is a very fine balance to all of this, if you start bringing in players on bigger money than the current squad you destroy the team spirit and closeness, this apparently was a big issue at QPR last season with reports of bust ups with the players,some beleiving others were not earning their inflated wages, we leave ourselves open to all these issues to find a suitable replacement for Joe Allen, suddenly £15m quid in the bank sounds like a load of problems that would need solving,we dont need the money that badly and operate in a healthy financial position
Norway. Was there something wrong with your Shift key when you wrote that original post? Lol. Agree he is talking WAY too much to the press atm, and it's doing him and us no favours.
Yep, Lucas is absolutely key. Last season we lost twice before his injury, and 14 times after it! He basically plays the role we want him to play at Liverpool for Brazil already... He's improved so much in the past three years, a phoenix from the ashes and a lesson to fickle fans about getting behind your players. That's the thing with Gerrard... when his team is playing badly, he tends to put all the responsibility on himself. I do stand by the claim that he is a very capable passer and mover, but he will have to curb his natural inclinations. An interesting point was made on five live after England vs Italy about Gerrard, regarding his long passes. The commentator (who I cannot remember) made the point that Gerrard, when he looks at his options, must always reach the conclusion that there's no-one he can pass to that is better than he is at that moment. So, he keeps it and tries to create by himself. Of course, this won't work now - as Swansea show, the team collective surpasses the individual. Also... Gerrard was absolutely shagged by the end of the matches because he had to chase the ball so much, and Parker gave it to him every chance he could when England had the ball. No surprise he wasn't his normal self. Was worried at the end of the Italy game that he'd done his hamstrings in, again. On the wages thing, that's a very good point - would say £5M of the fee go towards the contracted wages of a replacement, or indeed several new players?
Yeah i was bobbing up and down on the ocean waves heading to Stavanger by boat,trying to type with an I-pad that likes to type in norweigen .. Sorry if the content is a bit weird ..
If he doesnt trust his England team mates to handle the ball then how is he going to trust a 21 yr old youngster from swansea with it ?? And thats where i see the problem with the likes of henderson and spearing etc,etc. To me Gerrard likes to be like roy of the rovers, he doesnt like to be part of a team,he likes to be the team! it goes against the grain with the likes of Brenden. Why run around with a dodgy hamstring when you should rely on your team mate? and this is what neville was saying in his article. They asked the players to keep the ball, to use the ball, they did not do this effectively and gave it away too often,putting themselves under pressure, it is surely the captains job to put trust and faith in your fellow team mates by making sure they have the ball and get use to the posession ?? i saw gerrard fire the ball 40-50 yrds many times when all he needed to do was work the ball through simple passing, this is where it will be difficult for rodgers, if gerrard aint on board with his ideas 100% then its doomed to failiure because gerrard will be un dropable .
That's the problem, for sure. He'll have to adapt. I think he can though. I honestly don't think any England player but Carroll or Hart touched the ball after Gerrard faded. I think Gerrard is a good enough and experienced enough pro to want to help the manager, play the system etc. He doesn't throw his toys out of the pram. You could tell at times, near the end of Rafa, that he was disgusted, but he never said anything. He won't do a Lampard and get the manager sacked.
Yes, there's an agreement in place, but, the fact he openly discusses that he wanted Siggy, and wants Allen, means that Allen now has a choice. He can hand in a transfer request which means Liverpool can bid. Rogers isn't dull, infact, he's an arsehole. I held him in high regard, especially when he said he wouldn't come in and rip our team up, which now, he seems to want to do. I now hope the guy fails and have a bet on him to be first manager sacked!
