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Nathaniel 5/1

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Black Caviar, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. Quelesprit

    Quelesprit New Member

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    You can even make the argument Dunaden could have gotten within half a length had he not been stopped at least twice in the Hardwicke. Sea Moon's good but totally unproven against horses who've dined at the top table many times.

    I hope for your sake he wins because I've not bet in the race but I can't believe anyone would think he's value at 11/4. It beggars belief. My head hurts just trying to lower myself to the level where he's a good bet at that crap price.
     
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  2. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    You are overestimating the competition, like the masses, its not your fault, you have been told by the experts that this is such a great race and so deep in quality anything can win, countless international group 1 winners.

    Im not wearing it, apart from St Nic this is average Group 1 horses and these are not St Nics conditions, or his race.

    Dunaden didnt have the tactical speed at a crucuial stage, he wants 2 miles and he wont be winning today.
     
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  3. Quelesprit

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    I agree Dunaden won't win but are you saying his tactical speed was the reason he was beaten last time out? For me it's obvious the blocked runs took probably 5 lengths and his challenge away from him at the crucial stage when Sea Moon started to open the gap.
     
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  4. King Shergar

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    Wasn't he your lay of the day when he won his last race? :biggrin:*
     
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  5. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    yes
     
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  6. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    He had a gap earlier and wasnt able to take it, another case of a horse running at a trip short of his best getting into trouble through lack of tactical speed, the finish is always exaggerated, there is nowhere to pull 5 lengths out of thin air, wild guesses, horses running late once a race is finished tend to be overbet next time and I think this is the case with Dunaden, he should be 14/1.
     
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  7. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    Thank you Nathaniel backers :D
     
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  8. Quelesprit

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    St Nic - unvelievabe run from that poor position.

    Nathaniel is all guts and class

    Danedream proves the Arc was no fluke.

    Sea Moon. Awful. I hope you've not done your nuts Boris.
     
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  9. Quelesprit

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    Boris you've just had your bet of the season smashed apart. You were warned. Pipe down.

    And that's from a non better in the race.
     
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  10. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    layed Nathaniel for what I backed Sea Moon for so Nathaniel backers have got me out it <laugh>

    very poor King George but thanks to Nathaniel backers :D
     
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  11. Quelesprit

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    That's why they call him Boris Fenster.
     
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  12. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    one of the bets of the season

    thank god for nathaniel backers, saved me after Ryan Moores worst ride of his life.
     
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  13. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    Thats why they call me Boris Fenster
     
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  14. GGW

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    So nothing to brag about <ok>
     
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  15. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    You lads should know the score by now, when Boris Fenster says it wont be winning, you get out while you can.
     
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  16. Quelesprit

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    That's why they call him the Punters Pal.
     
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  17. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    My Nathaniel specials are unrivalled, youve got to credit the bravery in taking on a horse as good as Nathaniel with such conviction.

    Thats why they call me Boris Fenster.
     
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    Reckon you must have been ****ting yourself Joe. I would have been.
     
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  19. ROTO

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    Pipe down Boris. Nathaniel got beaten by in a head bobber by last seasons Arc winner. Hardly a slow horse is he? You're proclaiming you got your lay right but I can guarantee if you were a real bookie offering 2/1 for him to be placed you would have lost your nuts as I can guarantee you would have taken more some big bets on that.

    Your selection Sea Moon, which Quel pointed out so many times, was ridiculously underpriced and got well and truly stuffed. You said you broke even by laying what you staked on Nathaniel. You broke even yet your still proclaiming a great success. Breaking even isn't a great success in my eyes.

    You've put up some good winners and fair play to you for that. So have I but you don't see me trying to turn this into a one man forum. Have a bit of cop on and tone it down about 10 notches or else the respect you have will diminish very quickly.
     
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  20. Wayward Lad

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    Well said ROTO, but the lad does have a sense of humour. Not to dissimilar to RV but much cockier both make me chuckle all the same :)
     
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