Whatever. I know he isn't. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I know someone who knows a lad who went to school with him and he had told my pal that he didn't have any allegiances at school until he signed for Boro as a 12 year old and then came in with all their stuff on. His hero was Ginola while he was over there in barcode HQ and as a young winger, thats hardly big news is it? He has more affiliation with Boro than either of the 2 other NE clubs, despite his WHOLE family being mackem die hards.
Mate, he said on Sky Sports before the Toon v City game that he was a Mag. Horses mouth, live TV mate!
So even if Adam says he's a Newcastle supporter - he's wrong. Is holding a reasonable position is something you have difficulty with today Cest?
Let me start by saying I have not read all of the OP or replies. I'm sure I will have heard it all before. I did see the abuse bit and find it a puzzling comment, I would say Cest you give out far more than you receive, just my opinion. I am not a Bruce lover just not a Bruce hater and found and still find the personal abuse he received unacceptable, again just my view. Bruce should have gone long before he did but I said many times that was Shorts call not mine and he would get my support for as long as he was our manager. He did many good things but in the end the fear of losing overtook the will to win, he was a man running scared and he never recovered from the loss of Bent. In my opinion Bruce and his roots were never a big problem for Bruce but became a weapon to hit him with and quite simply an excuse for abuse that I found embarrassing. Likewise with Newcastle fans, I neither love them or hate them, I know many good people who support Newcastle and many bell ends, to use Cests term, who support Sunderland. I am at a loss to understand how any of us can say we have friends, neighbours and workmates who support Newcastle but who we like, then generalise how all Newcastle fans are bad, bell ends or are to be abused. Would I have a Newcastle fan as manager or a Newcastle supporter in the team, well we already do but it would not work now, not because of their loyalties but because of the biased bigoted views of some of our fans, again just my honest opinion. I have been in the bigoted group but like to think that age has matured my thinking along with working for Newcastle United in the past.
There would be no debate to discuss had not the likes of Clark screwed us over and taken the piss; McMenemy brought us our lowest moment in our history and 3rd tier football; Bruce not delivered, despite the best financial and fans support ever offered, our biggest defeat in a derby post war; and Chopra's 'miss' against his boyhood team. its the mags that have made us suffer not th eother way around. We supported 100% those 4 names mentioned only for them all to stick 2 fingers up when push came to shove. We didnt turn on them until they showed their true colours but they certainly turned on us. Dismiss them as coincidence, or just football, or whatever you like but I am entitled to my opinion and if I offer abusive remarks to counter other abusive remarks aimed at me, I'm not complaining. Just commenting. However, ONCE AGAIN Syd, for the umpteenth time, you haven't listened, or read (by your own admission, though that doesn't stop you commenting does it) my post and I have opened this as a debate for all fans of all persuasions. You should try reading before jumping in next time. Its not mags I have a problem with and as a Chester lad growing up with many mag mates and work colleagues I love the banter and the piss taking. What I do have an issue with is the mag supporting players and managers that have taken pleasure in screwing us over. I dont want to see anymore of them given an opportunity to do so again and as some have suggested Adam Johnson comes out on the day we try and sign him to say that he is a die hard craa, then too right I'd change my stance and wouldnt want him (he wont though as he isnt) as he too wouldnt give his all in derby games and would screw us over. Anyone who says derby games dont matter is lying. They do matter to BOTH sets of fans 100%. Lets the 2 clubs commence battle on the pitch and off it verbally with our mag mates but never appoint a mag at the club again is all I am saying as other clubs wouldn't want die hard supporters of their rivals as players or managers. Its not rocket science to see it almost NEVER works out in our favour. PS - you worked for the mags Syd? Tells me a lot about why you disagree with my stance then that does?
Its no secret Cest, been said many times but I will explain. When I returned to Durham after my second divorce I found myself, a 55 year old ex national sales direct driving a white van, nothing wrong with that, but when I applied for jobs I was over qualified, to old or both. I saw a job in the job centre, description but no employer, sounded what I was looking for so applied. Letter came offering an interview and it was at SJP, promotions dept for NUFC. Had interview with manager and HR director and offered job, said I was life long SAFC fan but their only interest was could I do the job. Had 3 good years there, met some good people and some bell ends and got free tickets for derby games at SJP.
Ok let's go again without the sarcasm. Adam Johnston says he supports Newcastle, do you accept that Cest?
no shame at all mate, i will be forever grateful that they saw past who i supported and gave me a job when nobody else would.
I wasn't condemning you for it Syd, far from it, I was just commenting as why you may not take my stance on this. A crust is a crust and if I had no alternative I'd take it too. A lot of us have been down the divorce stakes and the financial hardships that brings, especially when there are children involved.No shame in that. However, I'd have been sacked inside 24 hours mind as I couldn't keep my gob shut if I heard certain comments, whoever made them? Once a mackem always a mackem eh? But then that's the whole point I have been trying to make here. My focus wouldn't be on the job for them, I'd just be taking the money. Would you have knowingly screwed over Sunderland AFC, to the benefit of nufc whilst working there? Or would you have done just enough to satisfy your bosses whilst holding back from full commitment? That's the dilemma I want to take away from now on and thats the situation with Chopra, McMenenmy, Clark and Bruce and any other mag supporting employee we think abountin the future. I dont want anymore of them.
He has said it in one interview 2 years ago. However, I also have it from a lad who went to school with him that he had no affiliations as a kid at all. He went to the mags as a 10 year old in their youth academy thats all (they were a better option all round back then) and loved watching Ginola as an academy player, who was his favourite player when he was there. No shame in that at all, as I too though he was a fantastic player but it doesn't make me a mag either. They let him go by the way. The lad I know says he only ever started to wear any clubs colours when he went to Boro as a 12 year old youth team player and came in with all their training kit on. He has more affection for the Boro than he does us or the Mags and that's also a fact. His family are all fanatical mackems and he has been brought up with that all his life.That too is a fact. Its also a fact that AJ has NEVER been a proper fan of the craas, standing on the terraces as a kid and such like, but HAS been to Sunderland games with family as a kid. Now we can argue the semantics here all day but I still maintain he is not a mag supporter in the ranks of a Chopra, Clark or Bruce. he has spent 12 years as a Boro player to be fair. There you see, drop the sarcasm and you will get proper responses?
No I wouldn't have screwed SAFC but I don't believe we have been screwed, I honestly believe its possible to put rivalry to one side and be professional. I had many arguments with people in the office just could not say who I supported when out on the road. My honest opinion is that Bruce did good and bad because of his skills, not his footballing background. Clark did a very good job for us on the field but dropped a major bollock with the shirt. I personally have no problem whatsoever with Bruce having a pint, in Ponteland with his family after the game, I doubt if he enjoyed it. My problem Cest is seen in this thread, you say you get abuse then when people disagree we go into Syd's little helpers and even sucking my dick, why resort to that or is that not childish abuse? Now I have wasted enough time on this never ending debate so will wish you well Cest.
I have to say cest, I can see your point, but I think you're being a bit hypocritical when i comes to Adam Johnson. You imply can't say "no more mags" then turn around and say you would elcome AJ with open arms, acting like his allegiance is a matter of opinion. It's not. It's a matter of fact. The lad has said himself on live TV that he's a mag. You can't claim otherwise. So whih is it, "no more mags" or "I'll mak an exception for someone as talented as AJ"? If the latter, then IMO the whole argument is flawed...
Clutching at straws imo. "A lad who went to school with him 10 years ago said..." vs "he himself said in a live TV interview just two years back"... Which holds more credibility? I'm not trying to have a dig here I just think you're looking at this through red & white glasses... Also, as much as I want to believe the part in bold is a fact, it simply isn't - it's just your opinion.
Not true actually. I have already stated that if he came out on the day we signied him (if we did) as all 3 of Chopra, Clark and Bruce did in their first day interviews and said he was a die hard mag but hoped we would forgive him I wouldnt want the ****er at all. Its not opinion, its from a lad who went to school with him that said he didnt have ANY affiliations as a young lad but did wear Boro colours only as a school kid. If anyone can show us a picture of a young Adam Johnson wearing a black and white top as a kid I'll be happy to eat my words of course?
