Willo or Taylor

Like the way how you can still vote on it for another 2 and a half years, even though both may well have left by then.

 

I think people are still kidding themselves about Saylor. He's 25 now, he is as good as he is going to get in all honesty and is still seen as a young player, whihch is just not true and he still doesnt have any real positional awareness or tactical nous, and his decision making at times is suicidal.

 

Anyone remember this?

http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/38146-Steven-Taylor-or-Mike-Williamson-to-start-against-Wolves

I think people did really committ knee jerk reactions to the Villa game.

 

to be fair, I think I might have voted for Williamson instead of Taylor on here, and lets not forget theirs not a lot between them.

 

Well you must be watching a different game when Saylor is playing, but he's a solid CB and attacking threat. Yes he pushes forward too much at times but the same could be said about Simmo. He did a good job when he first came back, and it's unfair knee jerk reaction-esque being put on him, which started after his poor performance out of position against Everton, and his performance against Villa. The defense was a shambles against Everton, wasn't just Taylor's fault.

He's a good CB and better than Willo. Quicker, sharper, better passer of the ball, looks more likely to score. Not quite as good in the air in terms of winning ariel challenges, but can hold his own none the less.

 

I can see where your coming from but you have just picked things which Taylor is better at, not the main credentials of a defender.

Passer - for all I care Williamson can play a 2 yard ball to a midfielder and get back into position.
Quicker - only matter if your in the right place, which Taylor hardly is.
Sharper - how do you know? He hasn't look match fit to me in quite some time.
Score - not his job and if you notice with free kicks and corners recently we have been aiming towards Williamson.

Overall Williamson is a better defender in my eyes, Taylor is better at skills which aren't needed as much for his position.

 

Its not a knee jerk reaction, I have been saying for about a year now that Williamson is better than Taylor. Goal threat is not important for a CB, its a small bonus, and for what its worth, Williamson has 4 more career goals than Taylor anyway.

We need someone like Williamson who will win things in the air all day long and clear it, the attributes you've described in the 2nd paragraph are what Coloccini is. Steven Taylor is a wannabe striker with stupid decision making: handballs, rushes of blood and running forward for no reason, and even against Villa a penalty should have been given when he clattered into Agbonlahor.

"Quicker, sharper, better passer of the ball, looks more likely to score. Not quite as good in the air in terms of winning ariel challenges" is a description of Coloccini not Taylor. You need a passer and a destroyer, as it was put by someone on here. Saylor is pretty poor as either, whereas Colo is a continental ball player, and Williamson is a destroyer, no nonsense and wins the ball in the air every time.

 

I would rep but I know it's going to fail. The one thing which lets Taylor down a lot is his positional sense/reading of the game. He steps up when he should drop and he drops when he should step up! Its really frustrating!

 

I've always been a Willo fan...We gave Colo and Enrique a year to adjust to the premiership (and they got to drop a year) people forget that this is Willo's first year in the prem and I personally think he has looked OK - not set the world a light, but for £1m he's been an absolute bargain!

 

I'd rather have a new CB. The only way we will push higher up the table is to replace our average EPL quality players with even better players. We don't NEED a new CB, but someone better to partner Colo would make our defence much more solid.

 

This. Taylor has shown he can excel at this level in previous seasons and has also played well in Europe, but injuries are ruining his career. I don't think he has been anyway near as sharp as he can be this season and still needs more maths practice. I think Williamson has done well this year, and I would say overperformed because based purely on natural ability he is not PL standard.

I think the two of them have different strenghts as well. Taylor is better on the ball and can score goals from set peices, and also is brilliant at throwing himself at the ball to make vital blocks, but his reading of the game and decision making is awful.

As for Williamson, he is a bit shaky on the ball but wins more headers than Taylor and reads the game better.

To conclude, I think Cal got it spot on, Willo on current form and Taylor if/when he gets back to his best. But next season they should both be backup for somebody else, hopefully Samba.

Also, does Steven Taylor have an inflatable chest or something? He contantly running round with it stuck out.

 

It depends how Collo is feeling. Willo is better at old-fashioned defending (heading and hoofing), but struggles when Collo goes on his wanders up the pitch. Saylor is better at working something from the back.

Nobby's Trumpet, we have been aiming at Willo for free-kicks, for about a two months now, and how many goals have we scored from free-kicks in that time???

Overall, I think I would choose Saylor

 

Willo. Him and Collo play well together.

 

I think Willo is quite ****e in the air for a man of his size and is quite weak for the presence he should have.
He has been bullied on a few occasions this season which really surprised me about him and I will be ****ting my pants if he is chosen to mark Carroll

I think Taylor when fit is by far the better Centre Half

 

It's a stupid arguement now really. We need a new CB.

Williamson isn't a good PL quality CB, Taylor is a great CB but gets injured and never gets a good run in the team to prove himself. Both of them should be on the bench as cover.

New CB.

 

The poll i posted about Taylor vs Willo is all the proof you need. People have just committed a knee jerk reaction and started slating Taylor.

http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/38146-Steven-Taylor-or-Mike-Williamson-to-start-against-Wolves

 

Im sorry Tash but even when Taylor is fully fit he's not a great CB. His positional and tactical awareness are shocking for a player who was touted for England a few years back. When fully fit he is a decent CB, much like Williamson is. But overall I agree we need a new CB to partner Colo.

 

Exactly a few bad games and the bandwaggon gets rolling

 

He hasn't got **** positional awareness, he goes forward alot, the same way Simpson does, should Simpson be kicked off the team? Even if people think it's his fault, Pardew coaches the defense, so Pardew should take part of the blame as the players do what he tells them to do. Taylor didn't ask to play RB, and Taylor should rightfully be in the box for set plays as he always looks like scoring, where as Willo has had sitters and missed them.

Taylor is a solid centre back, and i never see the same mistakes made between Taylor and Colo than with Willo and Colo, who together have cost us points with their miscommunication.

Taylor knows when to pass and when to kick it out, Williamson just hands the opposition cheap throw ins and corners. Taylor has better pace, ball control an passing ability. Willo is better in the air because of his height, but Taylor can hold his own. Taylor does not lack positional and tactical awareness, he goes forward a bit too much but so does Simspon, and atleast Taylor has the pace to track back fast enough, Willo is slow as ****.

 

Simmo is a RB, Taylor is a CB. There is a ****ing difference. I agree Simmo often gets caught too far forward, but thats because his positional and tactical awareness need working on. However because hes a RB the team can get away with, unlike we can at CB. Plus we have often relied on Simpson to offer the team width down the right hand side when Barton drifts into the center. If Simpson had Jonas in front of him I dont think he would get caught out as often.