Why we shouldn't re-sign Carroll.

Couldn't be arsed to write my own thoughts on the matter because I'm a horrible lazy bastard, but managed to find a quote from another site that sums up my views on bringing him back perfectly.

I'd like to credit Sewelly from another Newcastle forum I frequent for the words:

"I've watched all of his goals for us in the Championship, Premier League and all goals for Liverpool again since we were linked with this move.

He's scored a lot of headers from wide service and set pieces, finishing off lose balls in and around the box and a few powerful left footed finishes. There is almost no occasion where has he scored a goal because of an incisive through ball, through clever movement to create space and a composed finish in on goal. That's not his game and it's not snobbishness or doing him a disservice to suggest so.

It's the main reason he has failed at Liverpool so far and the main reason they are getting rid IMO and also the ultimate reason I don't see how he'd fit in here in our line-up or mesh with our current crop of players. Everytime he's played for Liverpool they have been criticised for NOT playing to his strengths enough and they've consistently looked better when he's not on the pitch. I fear exactly the same thing will happen here. Everybody keeps saying how can you forget what he did when he was here - I'm not, I'm judging what he did here objectively without black and white specs on and combining it with the 18 month sample of football we've seen since he left in a different team, plus looking at our squad and the strengths of our current team.

It's my conclusion that it won't work and is a bad idea. It's my opinion that he won't fit other than as a useful option off the bench and to add imputus to our set pieces, attributes not worth the investment as far as I'm concerned and we'd be better off looking for somebody who fits our team better."

 

That's a well put opinion that. It's hard to argue against aswell.

 

A well constructed against argument there mate...I find it hard to disagree with any of the points raised. I'm not sure if I want him back and I certainly don't if we have to sign him up straight away. I'd much rather the season long loan deal (around £3M loan fee and an option to buy for a further £10M) to see if he can gel with our current crop. Only after seeing this could I make an informed decision.

I really want to see him in the #35 shirt, would be hiliarious!!

 

I think the £35m turned his head a bit and he hasn't been the same player since.

 

Really hoping we dont sign him for basically all the points in the OP and more

 

Fair point, but if (a big if) we sign him back and keep both the demba's, I'd say we have a frontline capable of dealing with any defence! I think that we're almost certain to bring him back, and agreed we shouldnt change our style just to suit him, but with the amount of games we'll (hopefully) play this season it can only be a good thing. What was the one thing Rodgers was lacking with Swansea last season.... A plan b, what does Mandy bring the toon.... A plan b. I trust pards unequivocally and if he fits into his plans then I'm behind it 100% (until he flops then I want pardew out lol)

 

That makes some good points, but on the other hand there's the fact that Pardew and co., who know far, far more about football than any of us, clearly think he's capable of fitting in and worth bringing back.

 

So Pardew, Hughton, Dalgish, Allardyce, Pulis, Capello and Hodgson are all wrong?

...what a crock of ****e!

 

Carroll is a big strong lad, and good with his nut. Trouble is I get the feeling that he just doesn't commit enough, especially in training so he could be fitter - and faster. Roonie's success is that he is a willing workhorse. If Pards can get Carroll to graft like Sir Alex has his lads running around, then we could have a super star, Oh, and he needs a decent hair cut! if he looses the weight of his mop it will speed him up a bit.

 

He's certainly got a thing about his hair. You'd think he had a friend that could tell him how stupid it looked.

 

Carroll is a fundamentally different forward from Ba and Cisse. He likes to play with his back to the goal and look for knock-ons to others. However, there is far more to his game than that. He is also a very good defender from set pieces, which he showed in the Championship. There is probably no forward better in the air in the country, and he always troubles central defenders.

Also, Newcastle play the long ball more frequently than many will admit. It's best to have a mixture of styles rather than a monlithic style of play that never changes.

Pardew knows he would be a worthwhile addition, and he's no mug.

 

Got to agree with the opening post.

 

To be honest whilst i think this post is very well put and well thought out i dont agree with the conclusions. I have seen far more to his game than he is given credit for. Sadly players like him, Crouch etc get this tag because lazy teams mates often lump long aimless balls to them rather than playing football especially when the going gets tough.
Also i have to say whilst we produced some lovely football last season we also played many times with a pass, pass, pass at the back routine. Then under pressure lump a long ball forward and lose possesion. In my opinion playing this way would certainly suit Carroll but also i believe he is well capable of fitting into a better footballing side too both with his ability to play more than he is given credit for and for his ability to give the extra option with his strenghth, aggression and ariel ability.
Just my opinion though and i think his possible signing will split opinions but i for one would love to have him back and hope everyone gets behind him if he does return regardless of their opinion on his style.
Not sure how we will accomodate him with Ba and Cisse mind and dont want to lose either of them but thats the managers problem.

 

We can sit here and debate this over and over again if we want. We've already gone over how it will effect our play, and I think the thing about Carroll not fitting into our "style of play" is a horseshit argument and wrong. But w/e, its already been done to death.

I think we should trust Pardew, and the people involved.

 

Exactly this.

Pardew said in interviews a while ago that we need more dominant headers of the ball in our team.

And we need to be able to mix our style, we can't just expect to win games with the same approach every time.

 

If it happened for, say, £15 m (and I can't see us paying more than that), that would mean that with the Carroll transfer fee we bought:

Cisse, Tiote, Cabaye, Amilfatano, Bigirimana and Carroll.

Canny bit of business

 

lol

 

I've seen us resort to long balls and a target man (Ba) plenty over the last 18 months
often after 60 mins when playing through a team hasn't been cutting it, knocking Ameobi on as a hold-up player

plus, with a European campaign, having the option to play a more physical 4-4-2 (or even 4-5-1) team with dead balls / crosses / wingers when suited gives us an extra dimension.

more options on the bench & styles of players = more options to win games when our plan A isn't working

 

It's daft saying the opinion of the OP is horse-**** on the basis that "Pardew is god of football", when its hard to judge his exact involvement in bringing players in. Graham Carr isn't exactly scouting the Carroll's of this world, and Pardew has admitted he is not involved in the process of bringing him in. We don't even know Pardew really wants him, or whether he's simply getting him because all our other targets are tits up and Cashley thinks we can get a "good deal".

It's like saying, "me and my imaginary friend think you are stupid, because you think God exists", it's as much speculation as anything regarding how he'd fit in with the squad.

In my opinion, his behaviour and potential affect on morale is a much bigger consideration than his ability. S.Taylor > Carroll = beer guzzling, assaulting lout who tried to cheat us in the home match, and then threw a hissy fit. I very much think that's the bigger risk and question than his ability. If we lose Cisse and Ba, having Carroll would be good, but I still don't see why he's worth even £13 million to us, when we could seemingly have got closer to the players we were originally after with that fee. The striker position isn't even what I'd consider a major priority at present, which is especially annoying. In addition, last season he seemingly scored most of his goals against lower league opposition, and didn't look dangerous at all when in the premier league, mainly because the big lug thought it was better having his 6ft 5ish frame lurk on the edge of the area than attack the box

As for the long ball game, of course we play it on occasion, but it's hardly Allardyce-esque!

 

I would be happy with him as another option to Cisse and Ba but never instead of.
He is still young and will get better. People who argue we will revert to long ball tactics clearly didn't watch many of our games last season.
Also, Pardew seems to have a knack of getting the best out of fringe players in my opinion.
We need extra cover for all the competitions and acon cover. For the right price or on loan is a no brainer for me. On the other hand, if we don't get him, I won't lose any sleep.