Toshack [6'1"] scored a bunch of goals with pass and move. The thing is you pass it and you move until you get to the other end of the pitch, then, as Lord Bob once said, "Just stick in the net and we'll discuss your options later." Lol, was just thinking that before but as it was my first post on here wanted to keep it short as I tend to Ramble a bit. We seem to have got a bit narrow with our interpretation of Ticky Tacky football, I am sure we don’t have to Ticky Tacky it all the way into the net! Use it to control the middle, pull opponents around a bit, move up the field and then tread it through either to someone to run onto or someone on the flank to cross and take our chances. I can see AC doing both he's scored a lot of good goals with his feet as well as his head (and I am including his time at Newcastle here as well), and now with a bit more confidence and better service who knows.
in the end Rodger never mentioned this tika tacka rubbish much. He said attacking with tactical discipline, and a pressing game. Stoke could be described in this way on occasion. For me I was thinking about our play in terms of: 1. we will play 4-3-3 as it gives is 3 men in the middle, three men to hassle and harry opposition up the pitch and width form full backs. 2. our players will defend as one. the forwards like suarez and reputedly borini will expend energy chaging down big time and forcing errors out of opponents so we get the ball back up the pitch. 3. andy carroll is and has been seen as very lazy in closing down and really just dropps of and barely jogs side to side so this was why he doesn't fit in. I do think myself a lot of guys expect us to play like barca from the very first game and pass the thing about and have 70% possession.... swansea didn't do this. they pressed high and in rodgers own words made you know you were in a game.
Welcome! I have been thinking the same thing - maybe BR has spoken to AC and assured him that he isn't in his plans to be leaving on loan or sold and he is just letting all the speculation continue for 2 reasons. 1. To get people talking about him in the right way e.g. PL manages stating they would love to have Carroll play for them 2. To make the 'journalists' look idiotic for sensationalising something like this so they aren't so quick to jump on the next non story they have about LFC
And it's the last part of your statement that means Carroll should stay for at least another season IMO. I don't think we'll ever be exactly like Barca as this is a totally different league so having different options will be no bad thing especially while the squad is adjusting to a different formation/style of play.
All big Premiership clubs are like Piranhas. It's the nature of the business. Liverpool are no different. Remember when you did the same with Didi Hamann and also Christian Ziege from the Boro? More recently, LFC smelled blood with the situation with Luis Enrique last year and got him for an absolute steal. Why? Because, with him in the last year of his contract, you had us by the cojones, and squeezed tight until you got your way.
I assume you mean José Enrique, since Luis Enrique is a few years past his best. You're trying to say that £6m for a player in the last year of their contract, refusing to sign a contract extension who had previously spent a few seasons in the championship is us squeezing your cojones? How much were you expecting to get for him, we can't go around paying Andy Carroll prices for every Newcastle player! I also don't remember Liverpool ever tabling ridiculously low bids for someone they had previously sold for a ridiculously high sum. It is pure disrespect from Newcastle, not taking advantage. I better go ahead and accept that offer from Newcastle then hadn't I? ... If only anybody on this board worked for Liverpool FC.
Unless Newcastle were to offer the full £35mil or a deal that was worth that (say throw in Cisse and a bag of money) I'd tell them to **** off. A loan deal is insulting, never offer to strengthen a rival on our own dime, also the money at the end of the loan is only half of what we paid. So Newcastle get OUR player for a year and then still come back on a £17mil profit if they do choose to buy. There also the point that this would be the 2nd time that Newcastle have fleesed us, £17mil profit on a player that would still be playing for them. Seeing those two bastards at Newcastle come out on top is just too much
I honestly don't give a **** about Newcastle but I don't understand their offer unless that is that they are in serious problems with their contract arrangements with either Cisse or Ba or both. If they did take Carroll back then they would have to throw away the system that they are currently playing. It just does not make sense. Now the BBC are reporting that Newcastle are likely to come back with an improved offer. That does not make sense either. Their macho management have proved that they like to think that they can play hardball and improving offers does not fit with that pattern. Given their lack of respect and their behaviour in the past then I would not believe that our club would even consider a loan with a 'poosible' transfer next season. Now, Rodgers may have made his mind up already but I doubt that's true. What I do believe is that he knows how limited the transfer budget actually is and he sees Carroll as the best opportunity of raising more funds. He may be able to bring in another one but if he wants 4 then the pockets are probably too shallow. Another possibility has come to mind whilst I am typing this. Perhaps, just perhaps, Liverpool were already aware of Villa's interest and are using the Newcastle cheeky bid to up the fee from £17 million to closer to £20 million. On a totally different point I'm getting heartily sick of the paupacy of BBC reprting. Tonight the were stating as a matter of fact that Carroll had told firends that he would return to Newcastle 'like a flash'. Now the only person who can confirm that would be Carroll. Unless or until Carroll does that then the best that the BBC can accurately report would be friends of Andy carroll are saying that ........
Villa simply don't have that sort of money, they have trimmed their squad massively in the last year or so and are still trying to trim it further. I highly doubt they could stump up £20m for a player, never mind the £80k per week wages they'd need to find. Unless Darren Bent is leaving or part of the deal?
My only thought on the report that Newcastle are coming back with a better offer, is if true, we obviously didn't tell them AC is not for sale full stop when they first enquired and offered, unless they are trying to force the issue or unsettle him enough for a move maybe in January............I've no idea!
Maybe we have said no but Carroll and his agent are trying to force the move...? Maybe Carroll truly didn't want to leave Newcastle but was forced into it because of the crazy amount we offered...? Maybe Newcastle have not made a new offer...? Or maybe they have not made an offer at all...? Who knows...? I certainly don't!
'Kin 'ell - more speculation than a city suit in a Libor market! I thought the bloody redtops were bad, but everyone here is second guessing and looking askew at every word... SO far as I have been able to see, every journo appears to be jumping at shadows. We've had little to no confirmation that any contact has been made by any club for Carroll, or anyone else for that matter. There is no source attribution for any of these stories. Why Carroll would even consider going to work for Ashley again after the way he was 'forced out', I have no idea, and the 'warm welcome' he got from the Barcodes should make him think twice, surely?!? If, and its a massive if, we do loan him out, I'd prefer him to go to AC - no direct threat to us there. Personally, I don't see his 'style' being an issue. He's improved as a player since being here, his linkup play is better than it was at Newcastle, and we've seen that he can still be a real handful. Just because BR wants to play Ticka-Tacka, and likes a 'false nine' doesn't mean to say that will be his tactic every time, and doesn't mean to say Andy can't adapt and improve. I'm getting to loathe the bloody papers - either attribute the story or don't print the bollox...
any way you guys cut the story i think the term SAGA is very apt indeed and this will run and run and distract unitl resolved. I'd like to do some maths. 50mil -35mil = 15mil..... 35mil - 20mil = 15mil.... ergo... 50 mil windfall from torres has become 20mil and we THREW 30 MILLION POUNDS AWAY. thats the reality here. I couldn't find how to go back to 18months ago and find what i wrote about this carroll deal but i was not happy then... the reality of the waste of money we have done under FSG is shcoking as as bad as anything any owners have done. i hope this is why they sacked comolli and maybe even kenny. to just throw 30mil and potentially more away if 20mil is not realised is simply disgraceful really.
Whilst I agree completely with your argument and the waste, another way of looking at it is we got 35mil for Torres! Now admittedly he was probably worth 40mil at that time but right now he is probably perhaps 22-25mil?, but yeah we wasted money and time to be fair! So by my figures we wasted or lost 15mil
Maybe Carroll, Ashley and Pardew concocted a masterplan? Maybe the idea was to sell Carroll after we bid a ridiculous amount but for Andy to then be poor for a year or so before Newcastle bought him back? They just failed to realise that we might make a cup final and that the Euro's were on... Seriously though, I agree that the media have no idea on this. I still think Carroll will be a Liverpool player come 1 September, just not as convinced enough as I am regarding Aquilani not being here for me to add it to my signature (yet)
I agree with your signiture i will be shcoked if joe cole and aquilani both stay on. I feel aquilani is the guy to move.... I just hope the club website in continuing joe coles sky work earlier in the summer are not just hyping him up to make him move on where we don't get his wages fully gone. COle can either stay or go, i don't care but he should only stay cos he's got what it takes, not to be a warm body on the bench
I've been thinking the similar to Dave on this, I think Rodgers doesn't really want Carroll but would give him a chance if he didn't need the money to get in his own targets.
Question is, do we think anyone will pay £20m for AC for 4 good games in last 3 months & if he's not part of BR's plans and can't prove him wrong what price will we get for him next year when he's sat on the bench? Forgetting the silly money we paid for him what should his actual price be? One season of injury/one season of recovery, youth & potential still there to be a very good CF. is £15m realistic?
It's just not worth making that much of a loss on him, nearer to 20 million would be acceptable in my mind, but as you say is someone going to stump up that much?
