But Fred, this genius has had 1 pole (or be it taken away from him) and one podium in nearly 3 years of races. The results speak for themselves!! Who else has done that in 3 years? How can we not all miss how good he still is...............?
At the same time, even before the DRS failure in Canada, he was on target to finish outside of the points and was going nowhere.
Three years of struggling, mechanical and driver failures, are all part of a season in his early comeback, I am sure you are not being childish but all drivers are subjected to crap results sometimes, it's all part of the progress. Mercedes have gained a top car now, and it's all about consistency. The thing is, the difference between Rosberg and Schumacher now, is very minimal compared to the vast demolition of Schumacher in 2010 and 2011. Watch his space for the rest of the season. He is fit and healthy, he will power on with his head down. Yes you are right, and your point is?.. Do you want me to list out where he was in Oz/Malaysia/China/Monaco... before the failures? All drivers have luck or lack it at times, it's part of the game, it's part of F1. He didn't race well? Which part of starting 12th, managing his tyres-pacing himself, holding back a train of 5-6 cars as well as a faster Webber, and then pushing for clean overtakes for a podium did you not watch? If it was to be Hamilton or Alonso being discussed, I am sure this comment would not have existed.
Ummmm, i suppose i shouldn't be mentioning the fact that since his comeback, Schumacher has only had 1 podium in three years, whereas since his comeback, Kimi Raikkonen has had 3 podiums in 9 races.
Mercedes haven't gained a top car though. It's a midfield car at best. Yet I seem to remember the theory that Schumacher would aid development and give them a top car this year. The fact remains that all Schumacher has done since his comeback is tarnish his legacy. There was only one way that his comeback could be justified, which was winning the WDC, and he still seems just as far away from that as before.
I agree with these points. One of the biggest compliments of Schumacher during his first career was his supposed intelligence, something which should've improved with age, so I found it strange to hear him so critical of the Pirelli tyres, something that requires a driver to think and adapt a bit more should've been right up his street, but no. He was also critical of the Bridgestones in 2010, something which has just thrown into focus the fact he was given better tyres than everyone else while he was at Ferrari. The development of the car has been an area they've struggled in as well, they seem to be pretty fast out of the box and then tail off through the season, something which is completely at odds with his renowned prowess at developing a car and leading a team. He's stubbornly refused to get to grips with the Pirellis with the result that Mercedes seem to have made little progress in tyre management during races. I don't know why Mercedes persevere with him to be honest, at his age he's only going to get worse, Rosberg isn't that good either. Yet they make no attempt to recruit a top driver, such a waste of resources.
You're right you shouldn't. This years Lotus is considerably faster than anything Schumacher has driven for Mercedes. Kimi is actually a good example in Schumachers defence that despite being much younger and having had a shorter exile, has generally looked slower than his teammate (although less acident prone) I think that was rubbish from the start. Sure there feedback can help and some are better than others at it, but people make out they are aerodynamicists. Schumacher may be good or bad i don't know but the answer is he can only do so much. Well given that his pace compared to Rosberg has been stronger this season than the previous two you could say he has adapted the tyres. His comment were him trying to take out his frustration (from problems that were laregly not his fault) on something and the fact he is not keen on this style of racing, rather than him being unable to use them. As for Mercedes. Who else would you suggest they get? I would say that they are both very good drivers. Neither of them the best, but very solid. Suiting their position in the competitive order. All of the drivers i would consider better are already locked in contracts at McLaren, Red Bull, Ferrari and Lotus. You say Schumacher is "only get worse" while of course the age problem will always get worse he's defied it since 2010. Getting better year on year as he adapts more. I dont think one more year would do too much. In 2010 i would agree he was ruining his legacy, but with the way he's driving now i dont think he is anymore. He is not the driver he was, that much is clear, but to still be even a top ten driver at his age is an achievement in my opinion and shows you how good he really was in his prime.
1) Lotus is much quicker and all round in terms of performance compared to MGP-W01/02. And Kimi is much slower than Grosjean at this moment in time. 2) Mercedes have moved up in the tables, they just need consistency, and Lotus seems to have leapfrogged them though. 3) That'll put to bed any ideas and theories of "underground cheating in the F1 world". He is good now, he was fantastic then. Just think that if Schumacher's mechanical issues had been omitted from the points tally, and his position at the time was used to collate the points, he would have smashed Rosberg out of the water so far. Give or take a few **** races and Spain. I am positive about the coming races, you cannot doubt-he is not the man he once was, but bloody hell he is putting up a fight this season. please log in to view this image
That's better For sheer performance, the car on it's day is capable of being a winner, but as you say the consistency just isn't there. Whether that's due to the car operating efficiently in such fine conditions or a lack of development I don't know. The car has been higher up the ladder in recent years, because, while it's best wasn't great, it was able to achieve it's better results more regularly. This car seems to be a bit more....win or lose..badly.
10 points in Australia (he would've been 5th at best), 18 in China, probably about 8 in Monaco and I don't think he was on for points in Montreal, so he would have about 60 points to Rosberg's 75. Even if you give him HUGE leniency and say he would've held on for 3rd in Australia and won in Monaco it only takes his tally up to 81, hardly smashing Rosberg out of the water, and this is supposed to be his best season with an average driver as his team mate.
Would a mod please lock this thread, I think people have agendas which have ever-so-slightly overshadowed the thread's purpose.
Maybe there should be a Westy's law thread so once we get to this stage it could all be merged. At least then we wouldn't have the same comments some how getting into every thread. What I can see from the outside is that Schumacher must have been very busy running over childhood pets during his retirement
oh my god, he's done it to you! I was just joking about it Must be like the reverse of Monsters Inc...........
