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John Terry - Not Guilty

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jimmy Squarefoot, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. Welshred

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    This whole thing stinks.

    John Terry: there is enough evidence for criminal prosecution and a judge states he does have a case to answer
    Luis Suarez: No evidence to support criminal prosecution so no action taken

    Luis Suarez gets an 8 game ban. John Terry will get nothing. Surely if John Terry is proclaimed an innocent man, so must Suarez as there wasn't even enough evidence in his case to go this far.....

    The decisions made by FA at the moment are shocking. Not just Suarez, but regarding some decisions to uphold red cards last season, stripping Terry of the captaincy and then let him go to the Euro's as he is innocent until proven guilty, appointing Hodgson as England manager. Bizarre. FA are just as bad as FIFA, bunch of corrupt idiots
     
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  2. Purley

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  3. averagealex5

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    Lets just wait for the punishment the Fa hands out before we get pissed off. Just cause he has been found not guilt today by the law does not mean he is not guilty in bringing the game into disrepute (like Suarez) an i would expect the Fa to hand a hefty fine and Ban to the ****
     
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    The courts did the right thing, there was not enough evidence to convict JT. He was caught saynig those things but the judge/jury believed that JT may have simply repeated what he thought he had heard. It's hard to prove but that's the law I'm afraid.

    There are no parallels between this verdict and the Suarez verdict as they were reached in different envirioments i.e. by a panel and in a court.

    Only when the FA annouce their intentions can we start to compare the cases.
     
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  5. Redbrynner

    Redbrynner Well-Known Member

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    he had better get at least the ban Suarez did. Can see why it was Not guilty, but Suarez would have been found not guilty in a proper court too.

    FA have to be consistant though and give him a lengthy ban, be willing to bet they dont though
     
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  6. Garlic Klopp

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    Why does everyone think the F.A. will not take any action against Terry. He admitted in a court of law using the offending words. Under F.A. rules to use such words ( or similar as did Suarez ) on a football pitch is an offence.

    Therefore I expect the F.A. to punish him severely.

    The fact that he is England's golden boy, plays for a fashionable London club and to our knowledge has not had any wives of senior F.A. members will I am sure not influence their decision.

    I ALSO BELIEVE IN SANTA, THE EASTER BUNNY AND THE TOOTH FAIRY.
     
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  7. District Line

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    You haven't followed the trial therefore have no valid opinion now
     
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  8. Welshred

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    Whats that got to do with it? I'm not criticising the courts it was pretty obvious there wasn't enough evidence for Terry to be found guilty as it was one mans word against another, exactly the same as Suarez vs Evra.

    My point is as Suarez is also innocent until proven guilty (which he never was as there was not enough evidence to charge him) he should not have had any ban just as John Terry wont.
     
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  9. gaf 71

    gaf 71 Well-Known Member

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    Valid opinion? I've just tried having one over on your board mate, and because you don't agree with said opinion, you closed the thread. Hypocritical idiot.
     
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  10. Jeremy Hillary Boob

    Jeremy Hillary Boob GC Thread Terminator

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    " Had the Suarez/Evra case been held in a proper court"

    There's an obvious reason that never happened (despite the promptings of that learned t!t Loser Blissett).

    As it happens, I'm made up. The FA threw their whole anti-racism into disrepute the day they burned Suarez at the stake because the pious, hypocritical media wanted a head-on-a-stick as they couldn't touch Terry. They also established in that show-trial that the only form of racism was white-on-black (btw, why is every talking head on telly who knows all about race issues black? Are there no other 'races' on the planet? Do black people never commit racist acts?).

    I sincerely hope every player accused of racism now elects to go to court or challenges the CPA to do so. And my dearest wish is that the FA DO charge Terry and are dragged through every civil court in the country.

    Terry is a tw@t, but there's a bigger issue here given the treatment of Suarez. Perhaps the 'template' established by Evra and United is now broken.
     
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  11. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    Terry - credible witness as per Judge's comments.

    Suarez - his defence had more holes than a golf course.

    Let's here that 'context' argument again. <whistle>
     
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  12. Foredeckdave

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    What a dickhead you really are. Go and read the FA Suarez report and you will find CONTEXT was removed from the judgement. If you can't follow a logical argument then don't argue!
     
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  13. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    You lot are really touchy over this Suarez thing aren't you???

    Calm down and stop playing the victim.
     
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  14. Page_Moss_Kopite

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    The Football Association says it has noted the not guilty verdict given to John Terry and will now conclude its own inquiries.
    Chelsea
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    captain Terry
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    was cleared of using a racist obscenity about Queens Park Rangers
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    defender Anton Ferdinand on Friday.
    Terry had been charged with a racially aggravated public order offence following a Premier League game between the two clubs at Loftus Road on 23rd October last year.
    Chief magistrate Howard Riddle found the 31-year-old not guilty following a five-day trial at Westminster Magistrates' Court.
    [h=4]Decision[/h]The FA now has to decide whether to open disciplinary proceedings under its rules.
    The governing body can still bring charges even though Terry was found not guilty in court.
    An FA spokesman said: "The FA notes the decision in the John Terry case and will now seek to conclude its own enquiries."
    It is likely to be at least a week before the FA reaches a decision.
    Liverpool's
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    Luis Suarez was banned by the FA last season for racially abusing Patrice Evra
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    but that case never went to court.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/7897545/FA-to-decide-over-Terry


    Palios told Sky Sports News: "It's a verdict that has gone through due process of the legal system, which the FA have to stand back and let happen. It's now a question of the FA's due process to look at the evidence available to them and look at the direspute charges.
    "We're talking about two different things. Today was a very serious day in John Terry's life because it was a criminal charge and the burden of proof is higher than it will be with the disciplinary charges from the FA.
    "The level of proof required in legal proceedings is 'beyond reasonable doubt' whereas the level of proof required in a disciplinary offence is one on the balance of probabilities."
    http://www.skysports.com/skysportsnews/story/0,,19501_7897395,00.html

     
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  15. gaf 71

    gaf 71 Well-Known Member

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    John Terry has been found not guilty.He's just getting changed into his kit before coming out onto the court's steps to celebrate.
     
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  16. BillyBobTaunton

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    This verdict was correct.

    What it does show is how farcical the Suarez verdict was, the FA imo need to change their 'burden of proof' standard and bring their disciplinary procedures for such serious issues into line with the laws of the land!

    To act above the law (like they did with Suarez) makes a farce of their whole 'getting tough on racism' line and imo brings their procedures into disrepute. You cannot justify their stance and their verdict on Suarez when they clearly acted beyond the laws of the land! I know it was a different situation and not subject to the law, but this is what makes it more ridiculous...how can you have a body ruling on such serious issues whilst at the same time ignoring the standards that everybody in the land has to abide by? <ok>
     
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  17. jaffaSlot

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    Thanks, I needed that.
     
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  18. District Line

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    It holds no validity. Debate by all means but don't spout bullshit
     
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  19. Welshred

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    Beyond reasonable doubt makes alot more sense than balance of probability (or in other words what the FA decide probably happened without any evidence to prove it)
     
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  20. Hash.

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    deleted yurillys post because of the half screen signature <doh>
     
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