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Conclusive Proof That Aliens Do Not Exist

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  1. gas

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    The reason people keep bringing up ridiculous notions about aliens is their failure to grasp history on an astronomical scale. This is especially the problem of the SETI-type chanting yoyos who keep bringing up Drake's equation to say that other civilizations must exist but be "improbable" so that we haven't "contacted" them. In their ossified brains they've got some small notion of the many billions of stars which are in our galaxy, but not of the billions of years which lie in its past.

    We will start with a very simple assumption. The galaxy as we see it is the most probable way for us to see it. And from this assumption we will recover that aliens (other advanced technological species) do not currently exist in our galaxy and will never exist.

    To start off with, how long does it take for an intelligent species to rise and colonize the entire galaxy? It takes roughly 100,000 years. Because the galaxy is 100,000 light-years in diameter and civilization arose on Earth a mere 10,000 years ago. Even under the most pessimistic assumptions, within 100,000 years of its rise, an intelligent technological species will have colonized half of the galaxy.

    How many opportunities have there been in our galaxy for an intelligent species to rise and colonize the galaxy? In the last 65 million years alone, since the extinction of the dinosaurs, there have been 650 chunks of 100,000 years during which a civilization could have arisen and colonized the galaxy. In the last 13 billion years, since the first generation of stars seeded the universe with heavy metals from which planets and living beings could form there have been 130,000 such chunks of 100,000 years.

    What is the probability that an intelligent species will rise and colonize the galaxy? We will not derive this theoretically because we don't have the necessary astronomical data to do so. We will rather derive this statistically using the observations that 1) we exist, and the assumption that 2) the galaxy as we see it is the most probable way for us to see it.

    The fact that we exist means that a previous civilization has not colonized the galaxy. It simply isn't to a civilization's benefit to "preserve" a planet for hundreds of millions of years on the off-chance that a species might evolve to intelligence and technology. Far better to colonize the planet and use it productively. Since aliens have not done so, because we exist, it follows that aliens haven't colonized our galaxy in the last 13 billion years.

    So the probability of us seeing the galaxy as we do is ((1-X)^650)*X if we unreasonably assume that civilizations could only have arisen in the last 65 million years. And ((1-X)^130,000)*X) if we reasonably assume that such a civilization could have arisen at any time in the last 13 billion years. In both cases, X is the probability of a civilization arising and colonizing the galaxy within a specific chunk of 100,000 years. These two probability functions have maxima which correspond to the value of X that is most compatible with us seeing the galaxy as we actually see it<ok>


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  2. HandsomeDaniel

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    Maybe we are the Aliens
     
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    That's what I always thought about you Scots<ok>
     
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    Poor WUM.
     
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    Tiz not a wum Earth Man, it's CONCLUSIVE proof.

    CONCLUSIVE <grr>
     
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    Maybe we are all part of a game being used similar to worker ants but in some universe reality meets virtual game by an unknown alien being. Which might go to explain all the conspiracy theories. Maybe the alien beings are running the World'Universe, where they want the Americans as the dominant force in their game. The truth is out there and once it is found your part in it is... GAME OVER. That is when you die. So all the dead people had played their part or just worked it out. So we will never see outside the universe because it will just be another add on extension to the game. Maybe explains things like assassinations, they knew just to much. So be quiet or you could be next. I wonder what the game is called?
     
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    ET was feckin proof ya bassas<grr>
     
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    Don't panic!
     
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    <laugh> I'm ****ing cracking up <laugh>
     
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    And what about Alf

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    It is all proof!
     
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  12. Mick

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    How to hell do you get to the statement that:

    "To start off with, how long does it take for an intelligent species to rise and colonize the entire galaxy? It takes roughly 100,000 years. Because the galaxy is 100,000 light-years in diameter and civilization arose on Earth a mere 10,000 years ago. Even under the most pessimistic assumptions, within 100,000 years of its rise, an intelligent technological species will have colonized half of the galaxy."

    To start with, you have to travel at the speed of light to cross the Galaxy in 100,000 years - and it's physically impossible to go the speed of light (although theoretically possible to go slightly slower) - so any advanced civilization would need to figure out technology to break the light barrier in order to travel anywhere in any sort of short period. We are nowhere near the point where we could even dream of travelling to our near star Proxima Centauri which is over 4 light years away - in comparison Voyager 1 (the furthest ever man made object, which has been travelling for 34 years) is a mere 16 light hours away from Earth - and it hasn't even left our solar system in 34 years.
     
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    What would you know baldy?
     
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    Basic mathmatics <ok>
     
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  18. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

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    Aliens abducted Biggie and 2Pac
     
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  19. Hugh Briss

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    Copied and pasted eh?

    GRR! <grr> ****ing plagiarists!!!

    Interesting read though <cool>
     
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  20. Mick

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    It's not interesting, it's full of dick.

    It negates the fact that interstellar travel may be a physical impossibility (at least within a single generation of our own species) and it assumes that if an Alien civilisation existed it would have colonized us already - apart from the fact that we would probably have a deadly atmosphere to that creature, or our bacteria would devour it alive, or maybe they are advanced enough to leave other life alone for numerous ethical reasons, or there are so many other masses of rock and iron and h20 and other **** in the universe that it is simply much easier for an advanced civilization to harvest nearby dead planet and asteroid resources to produce a habitat close to their own - rather than travel hundreds or thousands of light years to terraform an existing rock (which has the exact same raw elements abundant everywhere else in the Universe) to suit themselves.
     
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