Dont know if this has already been posted, but what do people think of this? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpools-brendan-rodgers-calms-talk-1140163 Realistic or a bit negative?
Hard to say without reading the full interview. Its all too easy to take snippets of a conversation and make them into a piece of ****ty tabloid "journalism". Hardly a speech to stir the troops though.
Rodgers is doing the one thing Kenny couldn't - talk to the press. FSG wanted a poster boy, someone who could communicate with the press and promote the Liverpool brand, Rodgers is doing this knowing that the lines of communication will build up the clubs reputation (which nationally... couldn't be much worse at the moment). In my opinion Rodgers is being realistic, he is saying that Rome wasn't built in a day, he is asking for time because he would have seen what happened to Woy when he was announced as manager and the instant backlash he received.
He is clearly talking about one day getting the club to where we used to be! Dominating the English game, and i think we will all agree that is not something that is going to happen over night
It's fairly realistic. We know we are better than last years league position but the last decade+ doesn't lie. We aren't at league winning level & would struggle to sustain champions league level year on year. We couldn't crack the old Giant of united and have been overtaken by the two new money clubs. The gulf is big & we don't have the straight up cash to upgrade to those 3 teams level immediately. Doing it on a budget means long term, smart young acquisitions & a healthy dose of luck at the right time. So a decade isn't out of the question. As a life long supporter who's sat through the last 2 decades after being initially spoilt as a Red, I'll wait another to see us great again. Rather that than continue the way we were. Oh and it puts the message out kinda quick that FSG's goals better be different for BR than they were for KD doesn't it?
If you can just stick to a little light hearted banter, and leave the analysis to me, it would be better for all. You do make some fair points, but leave the insights to the experts, OK?
Baz, you should have your own website to air your "expert analysis and insight". I don't think posting here is a great idea when you could have your own twitter page or website. My advice to you would be stop posting on here and get your own website
honestly i think he's talking a little too much and saying stuff that bascially the press are taking little bits and peices out of to run thier agenda. the headline is "i'll win nothing" now. add this to the fact that carroll's reputed fee is dropping by the day as the press make up stuff... well you can see why i think he's saying too much about all sort sof things prematurely.
Football and realism...I remember the days when we could go in to a season with false hope and being realistic never entered the equation
precisely... if you've nothing good to say, say nothing. i am a little worried he is enjoying the sound of his own voice and the attention a wee bit too much. its fine when you are talking good stuff but the minute you are talking negatively before you even have a ball to kick what the hell will you say when results go against you? will you abuse your players... who knows...
I'm with Billy and MITO on this one. We are getting snippets of conversations presented in a way that is calculated to make headlines and nothing else. When you try and put them all together then very little of it actually makes sense! IF we take this article as accurate then all Rodgers is committing himself to is years of embedding a system. Well, I've got news for him. From the old W formation through 442, 424, Total Football and now Tiki-Taka, systems come and systems go! Systems are only a means of achieving an objective with the resources and competitive environment that you have - nothing more and nothing else. At club level it is arguable that Tiki-Taka has already passed it's sell by date - by how many points did Real win their league? Since 1959, Liverpool Football Club have essentially been about one thing - PASSION. Forget the titles; forget the trophies, the one thing that has differentiated us from other clubs has been the interaction of passion between the club and its supporters. We have followed Kypling's advise. We have treated success, failure and tragedy equally the same. This has lead to us being described as deluded. Well perhaps we are but it's a delusion built upon mutual passion. If we lose that for a bloody system then I'll personally hang Rodgers and Henry from the nearest lamppost to the corner of The Kop!
Spot On. If you havent got anything good to say, say nothing at all. To me it said we will not be competing for champions league places for another 4 years and I dont like that attitude. At the beginning of the season you always have a chance and we should be looking at that as a target. Maybe he has a bad impression of us, because two of our worst performances last season were against Swansea?
Come on, guys. One minute BR "says" one thing and people are saying they really like the talk- the next moment he apparently "says" something else and we're queueing to string him up. We, as much as anyone, are familiar with the long and tiresome history of press sensation- seeking yet we still seem to bite at every opportunity. We don't know for sure what people say, or in what context, or what questions were asked to elicit a headline grabbing quote. I know we're all suffering cold turkey without footie, I know it's a boring cliche, but we have to wait and see before we congratulate or condemn.
That's all well and good guys and I agree to a certain extent that positivity is the best way. But there is a balance between being realistic & negative. This time last year 4th was set as the requirement and positively accepted by the manager. One year later that positivity was used by a significant section of the fans, media & eventually owners to hang said manager with. We the fans can be deluded; in fact I believe it's a requirement otherwise what's the point, but I'd rather my manager was living in the real world. Should he say it out loud? Maybe not but it certainly useful for him to protect himself in a way KD didn't. We won't have any silly owner statements stating champions league is a minimum after this will we? Also he's effectively cut the usual media method of attack, Eminem 8 mile style. Can't have editorials about "the grand old lady" thinking she's better than she is if she's openly declared she's not already. Any success we have quicker than he has predicted will be hailed as "brilliance" better than the usual media story of "who do LFC think they are" As for his talk of systemising; I believe he's talking about the entire structure not just the "style" of football being played. He then questions whether ANY team can replicate the sustained period of success we had due to the fact that there are now 5 teams capable both structurally & financially of winning the title. He believes he can set the correct foundations to attempt to replicate that sustained success but to be successful for over two decades like we were before might just contain the possibility (like it did before) that it would span a number of managers hence "after he's gone" I'm really failing to see how what he is saying is negative. He's setting positive goals, stating where we are at the minute and giving a realistic timetable of 3-4 years to be competitive again. That's exactly what I've been reading on here for the last 6 months. His longer term goals are as he suggests merely hopes as its too far ahead to see that level of sustained success. In surprised; people on here complain about media spin and then unconsciously adopt the negative twist of what they read.
What do you guys think of this???? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-craig-bellamy-joining-cardiff-1138739
Kuyt is gone, Can believe bellamy wanting to finish his career in Cardiff, maxi returning to newells Old Boys, Carroll potentially leaving on loan????? Thats 3 strikers and a goal scoring midfielder.........I think we need to go buy some firepower and soon
