Would anyone take Carroll back for the amount we'd have payed for Luuk De Jong?

Not sure how its relevant to be honest. We're simply discussing if you take out all the problems of making happen, would you want him? Rodgers loan comments are just the thing that has raised the possibility of him moving. I don't think anybody thinks we're actually going to be signing him!

 

No

 

He still get's up and manages to put a lot of the high balls away, but would it be worth changing the kind of football we've been playing to suit him?

 

Nah. I can't ever see him taking the pay cut, and we're not going to pay him what he gets now.

I don't think he'd be happy if he moved back anyway, because he wouldn't be the center of attention anymore.

 

I don't think we need to. He'd get a lot more chances playing as we do now. The lad has a lovely left foot. Ba playing as a lone front man was often asked to play a target man role. Carroll could fill that role or playing alongside Cisse without any need for a change in style. We'd maybe have to to tweak it to get more crosses in.

Essentially though bar some kind of loan agreement I think its an impossibility.

 

You're now above Andrew Carroll's level. Re-signing him for another disgusting fee would be a step backwards.

 

This is my view. I feel we have moved on from where we were when Carroll was in the team. Having him back would give us additional options perhaps, but I do feel he might be a square peg in a round hole now that the style of play has, for the most part, changed.

 

As has been mentioned, I can't see him coming back for less than he's getting at the moment.

 

I agree with this, word for word... we want to play football.

 

Exactly. Why would you want such great, great players like Yohann Cabaye, Hatem Ben Arfa and Papiss Cisse completely changing their games just to suit a piece of ****, like Carroll?

 

I would be really disappointed if we signed him. I would much prefer a smaller more technical forward to play off Cisse/Ba/Shola.

 

Owen? <run>

 

Kevin Gameiro would be an exceptional signing for you, he would fit in well with the French contingent as well.

 

Couldn't agree with you more. EXACTLY the type of striker we need and would be a step on from Best et al

 

What I'm saying is that we can play different styles, and have different game plans for different games!!

So in some matches we can play technical football, passing football. And in some matches we can use Carroll as a target man and have a players playing off his knock downs.

Why do you all assume I'm saying we should stop playing our nice football, and switch to a different style?

Why can't we play alternate styles, and have a plan B?

We can't play our technical football every game, as I've said several times already, we'll NEED to rotate, and we'll need to be able to switch our strategies for different games.

Why can't we say "Against this team, our passing technical football should cut right through them, however next week, we're playing a team who's defense could be troubled by long balls and a powerful presence up front".

Can no one here grasp the idea of a plan B? Because if we don't develop one, we wont last long.

What happens if our passing strategy with our best players fails? We need to be able to change something, and switching from 4-3-3 and playing sexy, to 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 and playing long balls, could be very key.

Why do you think we bring Shola on late in games? We switch styles because the sudden change from passing football, to long balls with a big presence can be a nightmare for a team, if you do it right.

Just because Carroll came here, doesn't mean we'd have to change style, we'd have an option of different strategies.

 

Or you could just stick to a respectful style of play and not abandon your principles. Move your way up the table with good football and actually have a lot of envy around you.

 

So if it's different styles of play that concerns you and by your own admission Shola already gives us the long ball option. What we don't currently have is a quick off the shoulder striker that can play off a target man...

Carroll made his choice, he can live with it for me. He shouldn't just be allowed straight back in because things didn't work out, it cheapens our club. However, my personal feelings aside he just doesnt give us anything we don't already have.

 

I don't give a **** about envy. I didn't care when we were playing long balls with Carroll, and I don't know.

I want to win matches, and you need to be able to alter your strategy to be successful in the long run.

That's how Chelsea won the CL. They stayed back, defended and pumped balls up to Drogba and counter attacked.

They didn't play the same style they do in the PL, good attacking football, they camped and countered. But it won them the CL.

 

Shola does give us the long ball option, but it could be significantly improved with the addition of Carroll.

Shola is only really good when he's coming on as a sub, not really when starting.

The long ball option could be a lot more effective with Carroll.

Carroll would give us something we don't have already, a striker that wins things against CB's and makes even the best defenses look week physically.

Shola has produced some great flick ons, but he doesn't do it often enough, and Ba and Cisse aren't very good at winning things in the air from goal kicks ect. They can't really beat CB's in the air.

Carroll consistently wins things, knocks them down and causes trouble around defenses, and is awesome in the right set up.

 

Yes, and the only people that are happy about them winning it are Chelsea fans and morons.

Look at what Arsenal have done, they have played good football for years, and it hasn't let them down, they have consistently stayed at the top end of the table with out a 'plan B'. It would be a good strategy for Newcastle as well, at the moment you aren't a team that is in the Champions League, but keep going the way you are, and you could easily push other teams for those spots, then, when you get into that position, you can look at even better players around Europe, sign them, and then create a stronger team, with out going down the old English, rough, smash it up field mentality.