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Rodgers speaks on sigurdsson

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by moreinjuredthanowen, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Earlier this week when sigurdsson signed for spurs i commented that rodgers needed to make some comment as to what went on.

    It seems our new manager has his finger on the pulse and saw it needed to be addressed. He seems to like talksport rather than rags which at least lets us hear direct without the option of a journo twisting it.

    http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...sigurdsson-priced-himself-out-liverpool-move-

    this raises 4 possibilities;

    1. Rodgers may be just stating sigurdsson is greedy and he pulled the plug, he feels the boy let him down and so can go stuff himself (never mind the final nicey nicey comment)

    2. Rodgers is in cloud cuckoo land thinking that an offer from swansea for whatever wage is what any player will take when a big club sniffs round.

    3. Tottenham offered him more money and thats an end of it.

    4. tottenham are just plain more attractive than us period and the bonus is the extra cash.

    I think the die hard lfc fans can all go with option 1 but the rest of us maybe need to hope that sigurdsson just blundered in thinking option 4.

    thoughts?

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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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  3. ^^^ this <ok>





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  4. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Done now so we'll move on to the next target.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i think Rodgers made a big comment there, he said basically everything was right for sigurdsson under his gentle loving care and it "seems" sigurdsson didn't exactly explain to the manger he so "loves" why he said no chance.

    it is an interesting statement that does lean towards rodgers saying that he didn't offer the wages and he doesn't know what other reasons sigurdsson chose tottenham....
     
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  6. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    I don't read it that way at all.

    I believe that Rodgers had agreed a deal with the lad that he thought was fair. Sigurdsson then talked to Spurs and agreed a deal with them for more money. However from Rodgers account niether Sigurdsson or his agent came back to him to tell him the reasons why he was going to Spurs. On top of that he is also saying that he believed his/LFC's offer was fair in the circumstances and that he was not prepared to offer any more.

    So if my reading of what was said is true then fair play to Rodgers. Players are commodities and they have a value. There's plenty more fish in the sea. So Rodgers is disappointed but not heartbroken.
     
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  7. Denny Kalglish

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    Yep this ^ I reckon

    Just wish the season was starting tomorrow - all this transfer bollox is doing my head in!
     
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  8. saintanton

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    Anyone remember gazumping?
    You think you've made a verbal deal with someone then they either sell to someone else for a higher price, or they threaten to at the last minute in an attempt to get you to pay more.
    I imagine something like this happened, and BR wasn't prepared to be taken in. I'm with him on that.
     
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  9. Rubadub

    Rubadub Well-Known Member

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    This.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i kind of read it that rodgers wanted to pay sigurdsson the same amount at lfc as he would have done at swansea.... lets put it this way. if you've two bidders and one bids higher then why should sigurdsson go to the lower paying guy?

    in the end i can see why sigurdsson would see that his circumstances changes the day rodgers left swansea and i expect he's very grateful. rodgers at swansea was trying to do the deal quick and early which was smart and he'd have got the kid on low wages. But the minute lfc and spurs were in there was a reasonable expectation from the lad and his agent to go do a really good deal. I don't know that rodgers can reasonable expect the kid to go do that deal again seeing he did take a long time to sign up.

    what we don't know is if part of his loan deal was to go to swansea and his wages were were negotiated last january..... I think somehow rodgers has missed at trick but i nthe end if 70k per week is actually true i think spurs are over paying.... but if they sell modric and he comes in and plays it could look a bargain.... all about risk i suppose.

    Rodgers needs to deliver a better player though
     
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  11. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    We offered him £30,000 a week, what did you offer him though? seems to me, it was not difficult for Spurs to pinch him from you! Are you strapped for cash or what, with your Yankee owners!................
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i don't know... 30k per week at swansea... reputedly (though only in papers) 50k with us and 70k with spurs.... bascially by telling swansea no afte rordgers left he doubled his money... LUCKY BOY!!!!

    I would love to know the truth of it in the end as rodgers just said it was simialr to swansea which is being cheap IMO when everyone he'd be with on the training gorund would be on 50-100% more.
     
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  13. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    What's it got to do with you? I don't see anybody here actually crying into their pillows because Sigurdsson chose Spurs. All the lad has is potential and we've got that coming out of our ears - Kelly, Coates, Robinson, Shelvey, Sterling - and that's before we even start to think about the latest crop emerging from our Youth team.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well we do hope....

    Its all just wondering precisely what rodgers is like and will actually do. I personally thought he needed to say something about sigurdsson and he did. the question now has to be are we willing to even match 5th, 6th and 7th in paying wages? A signing or two of a certain level would maybe tell us something in that regard
     
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  15. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    I'm getting tired of reading all these comments about wages. Leaving Sigurdsson aside as this was a somewhat peculiar case.

    As far as I am aware LFC have made no public statement about imposing a salary cap. Neither have they made any statement about bringing the wage bill down. Therefore the wages that LFC are prepared to offer are a part of the whole transfer package and will vary according to the player and their total value to LFC. Focusing upon wages as though they are some determinant of finishing position is just a very limited way of assessing competitiveness.

    Rodgers was aware of the offer that Swansea made. From the media it would appear that he was prepared to offer more. From his own statement he appears to be saying that he was not made aware that this offer was considered insufficient by the Sigurdsson clan. However, he infers that whatever that offer was, he felt that it was reasonable given the players abilities and experience. I do not believe that this negotiation will set a precedent in other negotiations other than our unwillingness to enter into a wage bidding war that takes us over our estimation of the players worth.
     
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  16. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    I look at this in a more simple way. BR believed that Sigs worth to Swansea was £30k which Sig accepted, Remember the deal wasn't first dibs to Swansea it was "cheaper" for Swansea.

    Nobody else was coming in with £50k or £70k at that point.

    Then BR joins us. He offers Sig a place. Now remember BR believed that he was worth 30k. At LFC with better players around him BR/management say, "ok you're maybe worth 50k"

    Spurs for some reason now think (because we wanted him?) he's worth £70k???

    Don't blame player for taking highest wages.

    Don't blame LFC for saying we can't justify "doubling what our manager thinks he was originally worth in the premier league as a player simply because he's wearing a different colour strip???"

    Spurs did think it was justified. Maybe they are right. Just as easily he'll look like our 5 players we bought for large amounts of money based on a good previous season did the next year.

    You can understand why our club might be reluctant to make the same mistake money vs worth two seasons in a row; especially when the guy that wanted him tells you na.
     
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  17. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    And do you really want a manager who is prepared to pay a player double what he thinks he's worth just so his ego isn't dinted by a player who's comments right up until the big pay offer(still not blaming him for taking it) was saying he wanted to work with BR? You want someone who forms a team on that weak a position?

    Bigger man, bigger plans.
     
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  18. ----HistoryRepeating----

    ----HistoryRepeating---- Well-Known Member

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    I love how Liverpool feel let down by the lad, because they've been gazumped (is that a real phrase?) by Spurs, but in reality Swansea are the only ones who should feel aggrieved by the situation. So before complaining too much, maybe have a little think first.
     
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  19. Sir_Red

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    I like this perspective I have to say. Never thought of it like that
     
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  20. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    If you had followed the discussions that we have had about Sigaurdsson you would have seen that the general feeling is not of being let down but one of "OK, his loss".
     
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