Mabon think you maybe wrong on that one, but are you an ancestor of Owain Glyndŵr? just asking!................
I have no interest in a lot of teams, but still watch them as its the sport that interests me, I am from Swansea and support them as they are my local team, so have an affinity for them. But I don't single out a team and say specifically never watch them as it reflects badly, if they are on and I have the time I'll watch them. Out of interest do you watch any world cup games or euros ? We ain't been in them since the 50s . Have you ever watched a premier league game before last season ? The reason I ask is that you don't appear to love the sport unless there is red shirt of Wales on it
Dragon This has been happening for the last 15 years, the english want a piece of devolution but in their case it will mean seperation and a federal state, we are on the road to devo max, scotland within 10 years, Wales within 30 years. mark my words,
It will never happen, and if it did I will move to England as it would be un-mitigating disaster that I will want no piece of. This is a delusion of Plaid Cymru who are the third or fourth placed party representing Wales, they will never get the people onside with them, and it would lead to meltdown here.
valley i was watching Div 1 football in the mid sixties and up to the present time, so you could say i have played the game for 20 odd years and have watched it 45 years. so you can say i have been a big fan for nearly all my life. Oh and i have been a swans fan since 1969, so you could say that i have seen the good and the bad as a swans fan, the premiership was started over 23 years after i started watching the swans, it was more like Workington Town on a wet friday on the sleepers behind the goals in Div 4 when i started, But i make no apologies for supporting the red of Wales its where i was born
The UK gdp is £2.26 trillion, Wales gdp is £45 billion, wales therefore is 2% of total gdp, but wales makes up 4.8% of the UK population, we have the lowest average GDP per head than any other UK country and regions? and approx 10% lower than european average? (this has dropped for 20 years) why? scotland and northern england also suffered from the industrial collapse but their gdp is well above ours...why are we falling further behind? We were hugely dependent on coal and it's subsidiary industries until well in to the 70's...some of it still remains...that industry swelled the population because of the high labour content. Other industries like textiles and a variety of 'assembly' industry came in for while from there, and being similar in work content, thrived on the labour supply and work ethic. Since then only service sector functions have arrived here...like the DVLA........The bottom line is Wales has always provided semi skilled labour, and plenty of it, however the industries were not generic and simply took the labour element and thought liitle of sustainability. We've got devolved powers for education now. We need to embed a culture of entrepreneurship and self-employment skills in our kids from a very young age. Wales desperately needs more indiginous start-ups. Its going to be difficult , because historically we have been told for a century that we are second best.....To look at the way westminster treat us now and in the past , its the biggest and the most successfull example of Stokholm Syndrome that the world has ever seen. ...............
free welsh army where are they these days, what a bunch of idiots they were burning down buildings belonging to retired english people who moved to wales for a bit of peace and quiet, They were soon defunked as every decent welsh person turned against them.. plaid cymru are a wasted vote from any welsh person as they have nothing to offer in any shape or form that would improve peoples lives in wales........
And the tories and labour? Cofiwch (Remember) Treweryn this caused the upsurge in welsh nationalism, which labour were responsible for.
A question for you then Mabon. If Wales ever got to be independent it would end our participation in the premier league or any league system that we are in now. Would you accept the demise of Swansea City as a necessary casualty of gaining independence ? Because there would be no way that we could survive as a club with the likes of Carmarthen Town and Rhyl etc instead of Man Utd and Liverpool as opponents.
If anyone doesn't know what Stokholm Syndrome is, look it up! By the way lads, lets not go down any party line, they are all a bunch of wasters, every last one of them, and if you think that any party is interested in the man in the street, then you are deluded, you've had plenty of time to go by, to work that one out! I know Wales is known for sheep, but get real................
If it meant that Wales became a better place for the people of our nation to prosper, absolutely Shankly was wrong when he said football was more important than life or death,
But then if we went down like we did in the eighties and Man utd and Arsenal are no longer our opponents will we get 20000 for home games? i will still be there like i was when we were in the old div 4 at the vetch
How on earth would you know that it would become a better place ? How would we prosper ? I am sorry but that is without any reality at all. So in other words you would risk everything on a deluded whim that we would be better off. The statistics posted by dragon if correct clearly shows that we can't afford to be independent, the situation would be that taxes would increase massively or and services be cut. I am sorry this is turned into a political discussion again, but I did ask Mabon to just agree to disagree and move on, the argument is all linked together as this is not anti welsh players in TeamGB , but anti British full stop.
valley quite happy to move on, and as you say agree to disagree, just happy to put my opinions on here along with those of others you will note i used the word IF in my earlier post
I think it would be extremely difficult to go it alone seperately to the rest of the uk/england which we have over a very long time been assimulated into, without long term preperation. But if we had to i am sure we would adapt and survive though it would be hard. But we do have a few assets left ie-. Water Coal CoalGas Large areas of furtile farm land Metal ore minerals & Gold Deep water harbours and an oil/gas pipe line from west to east. An available workforce Universaties Fishing & shell fish industry Wind power and tidal power available Tourism Raw materials -sand banks etc. And much more So it may not be in our intrests or englands for us to go it alone but we could get by in the long run but only with proper leadership the like of which has`nt been seen in this country for a very long time.
But you expect apologies from others that are from Wales with different beliefs on the issue Mabon , bit uneven in the respect department .... at the very least .
hmmmmmm stockholm syndrome is to do with hostage situations, i assume plaid cymru is the welsh nationalst party
