Stuff like "Oh his DRS flap was open during the yellow flag period!", something for which there is no rule against. And Michael slowed down significantly during the yellow flag period. The only reason he whinged on Sunday was because he was because he lost a podium finish. But I wasn't expecting this from Webber, who I always think of highly as a great sportsman. By wing-gate you mean silverstone?
Again, any other driver would have done the same in his position. What would you expect them to say: "Well he did have his DRS open, but it's Michael's first podium since his comeback so I'll let it slide."
"He beat me fair and square". As I mentioned, there is no rule on DRS being open during yellow flags. Mark decided to make one up.
These people in Formula One look for anything remotely illegal by which to gain an advantage, even if they just want clarification on it. From Webber's perspective, with DRS open in a yellow-flag area, it could very well have looked like Schumacher was speeding, which is illegal.
Before a war rages, maybe he should sit back with the engineers and check the telemetry before making rash accusations to dob another driver in. The same goes for Hamilton last year in Monza, the same driving technique (one move to defend and another for the corner) has gone amiss this year, and last year it was suddenly an abomination because a "cheat" was driving well. I would have a lot more respect for some drivers (including Schumacher in Barcelona "idiot!"), if they found out the noises they were making had any substance to it. That's all really.
The thing is, Vettel and Massa both slowed down in Spain too, while having their DRS open. It's just because Schumacher gets away with absolutely everything he does. He broke the rules. As did Maldonado, one got a penalty, the other didnt.
Thinking about it what is the point of DRS in a yellow flag area? Am I being an idiot here? Why open DRS If making an effort to go slower.
What comment did you want me to make? Unless you're a complete idiot, you shouldn't have problems drawing simple conclusions, e.g: - Red Bull aren't dominant in the high speed corners - they must be gaining their laptime in other places - Confirmation of what we saw in Spain - Williams have great downforce - Alonso and Grosjean get more out of their cars than their teammates.
I wanted you to declare the point you were trying to make in choosing a sequence of corners from a small section of track. –Which you have now done. Thanks. Clearly you are presenting evidence to support the notion that Alonso was quickest; however, you have been extremely selective! It is abundantly clear that Alonso was quickest at this part of the track, but only an idiot (to use your word) would draw conclusions about a complete lap by looking at data from just 4 of its 25 corners…
my mentioning the DRS was purely from the Q1 speeds and the HRT being faster, nothing to do with the yellow flags incident in the race, sorry for the confusion. Webber moaning and complaining about something is a non-story and hardly worth a mention anymore, it's like saying 'the Sun rose this morning' it's something you always expect. Now, Webber NOT moaning and complaining about something, well, that IS a story. And yeah, I refer to when Webber ran crying to the reporters about the front wing he'd already complained (shock) that he didn't like was taken off and given to the driver who did like it, it really was the final whine that pushed me from thinking he was okay to me thinking he was just a moaning knob. Maybe he's trying to become English and really does think we whinge non stop. truth be told most of the Aussies I've worked with have suffered from Goldilocks syndrome.
Exactly. Looks like the FIA didn't want to interfere with a "fairytale" result after the race had finished, opening your DRS in a yellow flag zone is pretty clear cut in my opinion, it's not like Schumacher was going to be able to overtake in that zone, so why needlessly shed a load of downforce? He should've got a penalty in my opinion.
So opening DRS in a yellow flag zone (of which there is no set rule), as well as slowing down in that zone (following a rule) somehow deserves a penalty? Dear me.
There were marshalls on the track clearing away debris, not the time to frivolously exploit loopholes in the regulations. Vettel and Massa were done for it in Spain. I don't think there's a "set rule" prohibiting drivers from trying to run over marshalls, doesn't mean it's fine for them to try to do it. Drivers are supposed to slow down and be prepared to stop when there are double waved yellows, dumping a load of downforce for a straightline speed advantage is hardly appropriate in that scenario. If it had happened halfway through the race he would've been penalised.
Good to know we Aussies can turn to you Brits for some good old-fashioned, politically incorrect stereotyping. We're used to getting it from the Yanks.
I feel vindicated that Johnny Herbert (on the F1 show) agreed with my point of view that Lewis should of yielded to Pastor or to have been more careful considering his tyres and what was at stake and that he is fighting for the WDC not the podium. He supported my view that everybody knows what kind of driver Pastor is and it was only a matter of time until he would go for the overtake so I feel I was correct in saying this after the race, yet people seemed to want to rip my throat out as some fanboy trying to make a spin on the situation. Yes it was Pastors fault entirely and he deserved the penalty, but Lewis had the option in his hands to decide the outcome as well and it could of been avoided. No! Lewis shouldn't do it all the time as other drivers will start to bully him out of position and he has every right to defend his position, but there was a line of trying too hard and both crossed it and they both walked away with nothing. Consistency is key this year and Lewis says that more than most drivers this season and it was working up until that blip with Pastor. Only under a week ago I was being personally attacked for this view and the same goes with journalists on twitter. Yet when the experts come out and support what I and others believed was the case that Lewis could of avoided the incident considering the likelihood that Pastor was going to do something stupid so now most of them have stopped their bitching. In the end this view has become the majority opinion on the situation which I find funny considering I was one of the first to express it openly. Yet so far, no apologises my way considering that I wasn't making an attack or anything on Lewis that day but an observation. Though I can't expect much from Internet forums and that emotions were running really high, so I accept people's apologises yet they might not say it on here so they can still be protected by their computer screens. Though there was one Lewis fan (Lewis Hamilton the F1 Legend) *and others* who at least read and understood what I was pointing at rather than join the majority of the Lewis group that attacked me with a view that a (very unbiased guy) like Herbert also identically agreed with me on.
Um I'm one of the biggest Hamilton fans around, I don't exactly hide it. And I was also saying he should have let Maldonado through. In fact in the race I was saying he should have let Raikkonen through to go and beat Alonso and focus on looking after his tyres, secure 3rd place.
