Lmao Fair enough Swarbs, cant argue with that Kenny will have to be in agreement with what goes on if he delivers decent results, that can't be reasonably done before he has been given a chance. With the season blown, it can't be judged on the remaining games if there is experimentation for the rest of the season. if he doesn't have a good time of it from now till the league's finish he may think twice about keeping the job anyways, he is that sort of guy that won't want to keep clinging on if he is not getting the job done, he would most likely step aside if he thinks he can't get it right. I do notice the marked reduction in the assurance that Kenny is the right man as per recent performances, there appears ot be a wee bit of uncertainty now over everything, hence this post really because if Liverpool had won their last 7 games do you think this thread would have been posted, I think not
If NESV have cash I would think they would like to land the best manager possible, Jose may be available if Real win nothing this year, look at capello, won the CL and got sacked by them if my shakey memory serves me right? It has been shown that a good man manager can get a lot out of Liverpool's squad, and some cash to boot, bit I gotta admit, Jose has City written all over him, I reckon he'd relish the challenge of bacon face again but with the added spice of it being City, just his type of fanfare
then most fans don't have that much of a say over most of what happens to their club. I definitely don't remember voting for us to buy Bebe... Definitely agree that you have the potential to get back into the CL and become contenders for the title again. Liverpool, like Arsenal and United, aren't even a club that needs their owners to throw money at the team a la Chelsea in order to succeed. They just need to owners to expand the stadium, get the sponsors in and make sure the club is profitable enough to allow the manager to spend. I know you were making that point, but lots of other people seemed to have missed it out. I was wondering if people genuinely expected Dalglish to be happy to go into that sort of role after being so vocal about wanting the full manager job. Just an innocent question. --------------------------------------------- Swarbs. Brilliant comment. You've pointed out what John Henry and FSG's motives and aims are.They have said as much.Bringbackfootee agreed with you to a large extent. You are right.FSG know they don't have to blow ã230 million on players in an 18 month period like Citeh and Chelsea did. When I said that I believed that Kenny within a short period of time could not only turn Liverpool into a top four side but into champions was based on the fact that the teams above them currently haven't improved significantly that would prevent them to do so.Will they improve so much that it will be impossible.With the exception of Man United I cannot see the others improving to the extent that Liverpool will not force their way back into the top four.Possibly Chelsea may disimprove.Citeh and Arsenal won't improve.
Can't wait to see how competitive the league is in around 3 seasons, see if chelsea replace their oldies, if we can complete our transition and compete for trophies again, will fergie retire? and how will his current crop of youngsters do?, will spurs still be up their?, can arsenal carry on producing free flowing football at such a low budget compared to others? and will city still exist after these fair play rules come about =P
I can't see Chelsea being successful in the next 3-4 years.They will shortly be ordering stair-lifts for JT and Fat Frank,Le Sulk and Greedy Tweedy. Rumour has it that Spurs ambitions and those of their owners are quite different.Their fans think they are good enough to be a top side on a regular basis,where Levy is content for them to be a top 6 side.So their spending is going to drop significantly.They are going to have to sell to buy.Gareth Bale is reportedly on his way out.He will be the first of many.Pavluchenko and Keane are definite departures.Its Aston Villa all over again. Man United,I can see the United job becoming a bigger poisoned chalice than it was when Busby left.There is a reason for that.Ferguson hasn't groomed a successor.Who is there.Mike Phelan?,Uniteds answer to Sammy Lee.There is a reason why he'll never be a success as a manager.....players like him. Man City are a club with more money than sense.They are going to aim for the top and fall flat.They don't have the players or the management to make the top.They also are built on quick-sand.Again a bit like Chelsea,a small club with money.Arsenal.Wengers philosophy will ensure they finish in the top four but will win nothing. In 3 years time,When Ferguson goes.I expect that it will be Liverpool that will return as rulers.The anfield machine will be back hoovering up silverware.
Completely ****ing delusional. You ignore all your problem and make up some or massively exaggerate ones for other clubs. Do any other liverpool fans agree with this clown?
I see more of the typical dross about Benitez's spending. Every manager buys dross; every manager is flawed; not every manager has to suffer three years of Hicks and Gillett while over-achieving on the fifth-highest budget to remain top four and regular Champions' League finalists and semi-finalists, which included more than just one win over The Genius That Is Mourinho. If Rafa signed dross then he's the Greatest Manager in the World for his record at Liverpool. The problem is he isn't the Greatest Manager in the World and for that he's continually regarded as a failure by the Hansenites. Houllier didn't leave a better squad than Rafa, as Hansen claimed, and that wasn't even Rafa's best squad, that was the squad Hicks and Gillett left him with after making a profit on transfers as they tried to offload the club for as much as they could get. It wasn't even the squad Rafa wanted but a squad of make-dos: Riera instead of Downing; Maxi instead of Mata; Keane instead of Barry; and so on. But Rafa gets the blame from mostly the same people who slagged off Lucas and now praise him. The dross was what Rafa took over from Houllier. Forget Torres, Reina, Alonso, Luis Garcia, Masch and a reborn Carra vs Baros, Dudek, Sissoko, Diao and Henchoz, I'd rather have Voronin than El Hadji Diouf. Rafa took Houllier's in-need-of-invigorating squad through an entire campaign to a title. That's tough. And then he did it again with his own squad in 2007, just to prove he was capable of doing so. He did it without any ã30m signings because Rafa never had ã30m to spend on a Berbatov. He had to shop mid-range and in that market he was on a par with Fergie and better than Mourinho. Even his media critics like Aldo have conceded that the current youth team is a legacy Rafa was responsible for. Anyway, I don't think the shared management idea is a goer. I think Kenny should maybe have sought Rafa's advice on Europe because Rafa is the European tactician to Dalglish's, Redknapp's and Mourinho's man management, but no manager wants to be weakened like that. It didn't do Roy Evans much good being given Houllier and it wasn't long before the balance shifted. That's a lesson, that is. And let us not forget Gerrard, Owen and Fowler were Roy's boys, not Houllier's. Rafa is destined for somewhere else, possibly City but more likely Villa. There's still too much division over his tenure for him to return now. But I'm pretty sure his welcome back with whomever he manages will be even warmer than Houllier's.
Problems. What problems. Liverpool are short in depth and thats what has prevented us from being successful.But we've got a manager that can solve that.We've got owners that can solve that. What we don't have is a 70 year old manager that hasn't groomed someone to replace him.We don't have a manager that expects to win silverware with a keeper that can't catch a cold and defenders that can't defend.We don't have an owner that over-rules a manager.We don't have a manager that signs players just to prevent other clubs having them,even if he does have 5 similar players that do exactly the same thing.We also don't have a manager that thinks one season in the CL makes them a top club,whose monetary dealings are dodgier than his tax returns.How many clubs did Harry put into administration...oh yeah two....Portsmouth and Southampton.If Spurs aren't careful,they will be the 3rd.
He shafted the Saints too,He left Pompey to manage the Saints to manage Pompey. Both ended up in financial trouble after having him as manager.Some of his dealings in the transfer market were dodgier than his tax returns.
Muppetfinder Where did you think the money was going to come from for buying all those players you mentioned? There is a difference between being rich and being super rich like you seem to expect liverpool to be. It's all very well in saying 'if we had bought X then we would have won the league', however actually buying all those players would take a huge amount of resources. Not even Real Madrid could afford them all! It would be buying your way to victory rather than Benitez's good management. Look at the squad he left you, it was ****e and lack of money is not a good enough excuse. Arsenal obviously do not have one of the best squads in world football however we are a good example of managing to stay competitive whilst on a budget. N'gog cost almost as much as RvP, Fabregas cost less than Lucas (not that he isn't a good player but I know who I would prefer), Chamakh was the same price as Voronin, Sagna cost at least 10 million less than Johnson, Clichy cost less than Aurelio etc. We may not win things but under Wenger we have never dropped out of the top 4 2 years in a row.
Clichy cost less than Aurelio. Fabio Aurelio joined Liverpool on a free,so if Clichy cost less than Aurelio he must have cost less than free.So explain that.As for Chamakh,He's done the same amount as Voronin...**** all. As for Ngog,He cost less than Jug Ears Jeffers. Wengers ''fox in the box''. Dirk Kuyt cost less than Jose Antonio Reyes.I know which one I would prefer.
KPR Chamakh has 16 goals for us in his first year in english football, Voronin did nothing like that. I was wrong about Aurelio, I thought he cost about 1 million the first time you signed him, however at 300k clichy was pretty cheap. Aquilani cost twice as much as Nasri, I know who I would prefer. You cannot seriously be trying to argue that Benitez was better in the transfer market than Wenger, there is only one winner in that and it isn't Benitez.
I mentioned three players who were targets at different times. Mata was the most expensive at ã20m. With sales the entire bill over two seasons wouldn't be out of our income so WTF are you on about? I didn't say that so WTF are you on about? They spent more on Kaka than those three would've cost so WTF etc. Three mid-range transfers over a coupla years is buying success? Blimey. You have the squad confused with your argument. It's not an excuse, it's fact, like the fact you're an idiot. Paying ã30m interest with owners who tried to put the club into administration is a healthy state you're welcome to if you think it has no bearing. You're paying off a stadium but that's no excuse, right? Wenger won't spend because he loves not winning titles. And? I don't deny it and bully for you but it's got **** all to do with Rafa at Liverpool. I've rated Wenger higher than some Gooners. Tell it to them. Wenger's mid-range transfers are better than Rafa's and Fergie's. That has nothing to do with what I said. Are you hearing voices in your head? Ah, compare a 27-yr old to a 21-yr old. Well done. Why not point out Lucas at 21 wasn't as good as Alonso at 28? That's a top debating ploy choosing Liverpool's weaker players to compare and contrast with Arsenal's successes. You should be in politics. I think I'll give it a shot: Benayoun was better than Pennant. Voronin was better than Diawara. Morientes was better than Jeffers, Kuyt was better than Boa Morte, Carragher was better than Vivas...see how that works? To paraphrase a muppet, "Financial stability is not a good enough excuse." Finishing below Rafa's squad in 2005-2006, 2006-2007 and 2008-2009. So for half Rafa's tenure we finished above Arsenal with their RVPs and their Fabregases. The difference is our ****e squad won stuff, including a title Arsenal have never won. Compare and contrast that, then tell the Arsenal board how you shouldn't go for Reina because Rafa signed him and Wenger's Almunia is far superior.
So Aquilani cost 30 million now?Nasri cost 15 million so,so since when is 15 million half of 17 million(20 million euro.thats with add-ons.) I would check my facts in future before commenting. At the moment in terms of net spend,Arsenal are marginally lower than Liverpool who since 2009 are in the black to the tune of 41 million.
