Jose to Liverpool?

I don't give the Sunderland board a debate because i rarely ****ing go on it, but you spend most of you time wumming this one!

I'm the one that's posted the constructive arguements on here, you've just posted complete and utter drivvel. Do us AND the Sunderland fans a favour and **** off.

 

No, we've spent 35m on him and we're teaching him how to play. Apparently; we should make Carroll the center pin of our attack then yes? In that case, Suarez is surplus to requirements and we can leave him on the bench.

We got knocked out by Braga yes, whilst we fielded a side with Joe cole, Ngog, Soto and Wilson (at LB, which is not his natural position). Anybody with a brain could have looked at our lineup and guessed the outcome. Europa league was and isn't a priority for us at the moment.

Defensive mid, Holding mid? I fail to see the difference in ACTUAL jobs. A defensive mid will naturally Hold the midfield as the attacking mids move up. A Holding mid will naturally sit further back than the Centre mids therefore being more likely to act defensively. Whilst they have different names and slightly different specialties in between the 2 roles they both cover the same ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midfielder#Defensive_midfielder It may clear things up.

 

Just shows that you don't know what the **** you're talking about doesn't it?

Tiote his a holding mid in the centre of the park, he moves well, beats players and distributes the ball. He can be part of the attacking play and the defensive play. He's an all round excellent central midfielder.

Tiote is rarely played in a defensive role, he's a big part of a our central midfield. He's not a defensive midfield player at all.

 

There cover the same area of the pitch but to me they do different jobs.
the example i'd use is Tottenham
Palacios=defending mid
Huddleston=holding mid

 

Again, I'm sorry to have to damage your dignity but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midfielder#Defensive_midfielder. Good luck next time; perhaps you should use research before talking about things you obviously don't have a clue about.

 

Wilshere is a holding mid, but he's more of an attacking threat for Arsenal than a defensive asset.

 

Oh yeah, Wikipedia is the ****ing fountain of all knowledge.

I see Tiote play week in week out, unless he's suspended haha, and i know far more about how he's used in our team than you do mate.

If you can't see the difference between the roles of a Holding mid and defensive mid, that's your problem.

 

exactly defending mids put the tackles in and alot of work
Holding mids are more of playmakers who keep the ball moving when you've got it

 

You know how he plays in your team; doesn't mean you necessarily know where he's meant to play. All this is trying to move away from the fact you think Tiote > A Brazilian international.

 

Carroll was successful here alongside Ameobi and Lovenkrands (two completely different types of player) as well as in a 4-5-1. So unless £23m Suarez is less adaptable than Shola and Lovenkrands he should be able to play off Carroll. He hasn't scored because your midfield is ****e, it's no coincidence that Carroll has only scored one Premier League goal when Barton hasn't been playing, and even that was a tap in from a yard against Chelsea after a defensive howler from Alex.

 

So it has nothing to do with the fact that Barton has made 29 appearances this season? Which didn't really give Carroll much of chance to score without him did it.

 

We're trying to make you understand that Tiote is a holding midfield player, and rarely plays a defensive role.

You're a ****ing arrogant, pig headed, deluded ****er like most Liverpool fans.

 

That's because Carroll scored mainly from Barton's deliveries, because Barton spent ages linking up with him, and his deliveries were perfect for Carroll.

Carroll scored from either Barton's deliveries, or Nolans passes. He also assisted Nolan quite frequently.

 

Carroll with Barton: 10 goals in 15 appearances
Carroll without Barton: 1 goal in 7 appearances

 

Totally correct; That sweeping statement covers the millions of Liverpool fans in the world.

Also; to try and make you understand..

To Hold: To have and keep in one's grasp; To keep from falling or moving; support; To sustain the pressure of.

^ Which is exactly what a defensive midfielder does too coincidentally.

 

Or Ameobi's knock downs/flick ons from Barton's deliveries.

 

Yep.

Liverpool are trying to improve Carroll's touch, which is a good thing but it's not going to get him goals, and they're not using him to his strengths.

They also expect him to make magic from 60 yard long balls...

 

No; Carragher expects him to make magic from 60 yard long balls, there's a difference.

 

A defensive mid is someone who will defend the back four, try and nullify the attacking threat of the opposition.

A holding mid is someone who's good with the ball, can keep possession, beat players, and distribute the ball well.

Wilshere and Tiote player similar roles in each team, except Wilshere is far more attack minded, where as Tiote likes to start attacks and supply the ball to the wingers, not get into the mix of it.

 

Lucas over Tiote? That's a horrible joke, mate. Seriously.