Bugger me! Took 18 minutes before winning the World Cup was mentioned. Don't make english commentators like they used to. I've also given up counting how many times Carragher says "y'know". Thought it was an amusing Tweet until I realised that I'd never picked it up before. Hilarious. Btw, are england players allowed to shoot at the Ukraine goal? If so, someone should tell them!
Rooney what a waste of space, two clear headers that Carroll would have put away - What a complete shambles, they are making it look like we are playing Spain with only 10 men
Dreadful.......and don't even start me off on the commentary. Love it the way it's okay to have a goal ruled out despite it been well over the line. I HATE ITV.
Rooney missed two great chances both headers to put us 2-0 up then he is gifted one that any of us could have scored - Headlines tomorrow will be all about his return and how great he is and am I missing something, what does welbeck offer the team?
Guess what? They are the headlines!!!! Instant Impact! Rooney returns to head england into the Euro 2012 Quarter Finals On a side note, he is far better than Carroll regardless of whether he missed a couple headers. Carroll is ****
Eat your hearts out Ladies and Gentlemen in the UK! In the USA, on ESPN we had Ian Darke and Steve McManaman. They have also done 1 EPL game each week this past season. They have great chemistry and mostly talk sense - well played ESPN! One point I had to disagree with them on was the "no-brainer decision - Rooney had to start this game!" I thought Carroll, despite a poor season at Liverpoo, had done enough to keep his place and did not deserve to lose it to Rooney. I was somewhat gobsmacked too that when Carroll did come on Wellbeck was taken out. Wellbeck seemed to agree! As for the goal that crossed the line but was not given - ok there was also a missed offside call on that play but is UEFA finally ready to concede that their experiment of having those extra refs on the goalline are a waste of every resource employed here? Use the tv image already in place for heaven's sake! Have a ref in the stands with a tv monitor, a buzzer and microphone that can say "Center ref on the pitch that ball just crossed the line, blow your whistle and give the goal man!" Such a simple solution.
I agree its time to seriously put in place a goal-line technology of some sort but the issue is with Football is how fast-paced it is and it needs to stay this way, so the goal-line technology needs to be as quick as possible. The issue with having someone in the stands using a tv monitor is he needs to analyse it and the important question is how long does it take to analyse that and what happens while he is analysing it? The game can't just stop like Rugby or Cricket because they are different games in different circumstances. They could quite easily ruin football if they employ the wrong method
Valid concern. It is a little tricky but not that complex. When these things happen, most everyone knows "this is a close call." The chap in the stands is going to see it went over the line or the ball has gone out of play pretty soon after it has potentially gone in. If he has not seen it befor the ball goes out, the center referee holds up play for the 30 seconds or so that it is going to take. There can be misconduct issues that arise during this intervening period. They would be dealt with just as they are now depending on the event and whether the ball was in play at the time it happened. Remember, play is stopped at the timethe referee decides it needs to be stopped, not necessarily when others hear the whistle. Do you have examples that cause you speciifc concern?
No, but only because its not in place right now. If you ever watch rugby you see that it can sometimes take up to4 minutes to decide whether its a try or not and I don't see why it would be any different, the ball travels at quite some speed sometimes and its hard to stop the camera at the exact frame. Lampard's disallowed goal against Germany in the world cup for example, play continued and it also took about 30 seconds to really see that it had gone in. I can see some problems with this but on the other hand how often does this scenario arrive, its only perhaps once in about 10 games probably more. I could see issues with the speed of the decision though, and then if this becomes a concern, he rushes his job and doesn't get it right perhaps? Another thing is, why stop there and why not replace linesman with a similar set-up. I just don't want to see the game go that way so I see it as a sensitive issue, thats not to say I don't want to see something change though
Valid issues all. I base my opinion on how quickly we see replays on tv now and just feel that the ref in the stands would get it very quickly and be able to make a determination within 15-30 secs of it happening. Another 10 secs and the whole referee team knows about it. One thing for sure, Eng v Ukraine showed that the extra ref on the goalline is a waste of resources. If you look, when the ball crossed the line, his head was about 3 - 5 inches into the pitch. Those few inches made it impossible for him to see what the camera saw - the ball was completely over the line.
Yea I completely agree that the extra ref there is kinda pointless, and it will only help in very limited scenarios. I still don't think that the guy watching the tv can make a 100% sure decision when the keeper saves it for example and there questions of whether he saved it behind the line or not. I remember that UEFA (I think it was UEFA) were experimenting with sensors in the ball which it would beep in the ref's ear for example when it crossed the line. I think they figured out it'd be too hard to do as they need a huge amount of number of sensors on the ball to actually work it out as well as the goal posts. This would be perfect but sadly not possible
Remember though, with rugby there are lots of tricky decisions to make, with football how many times in a match does the question get asked "did the ball cross the line" it isn't even once every dozen games. This is the first time during the finals, it isn't a technology that would be called into use every match not alone 2-3 times a game.
Well yea thats what I said previously. It'd probably only be used say once in 10 games if that but it still cannot slow the game down that much with players just standing wondering what to do while they evaluate whether its a goal or not. Regardless of what you think, to analyse and make the correct decision it'll take longer than 30 seconds and I think 30 seconds is already too long for a game like football. Something has to be done just not that
Jock, if you have problems with"you know", you should listen to Eddie Grey. He's terrible for that. On Rooney, he was just out of match practice. Think he'll be fully fired up for the Italians. Heyho, quarters. Who'd have thought it, & the prospect of a semi with the Germans. World domination here we come!!!
If you want to speed the game up stop allowing players to roll around pretending to be injured for several minutes, there are a lot more on the pitch happenings that already slow the game down far more than a quick check of a screen to see if a ball crossed the line. On another note - Watching the Ukraine keeper the other night, did the name Kasper spring to anyone's mind?
