Attitude to Gratitude

Coming up. But in answer to the second part ... no, I don't. Nor do I particularly care. The guy obviously didn't start the thread looking for a fight with you, and the very first post in the thread is you derailing it into a personal and rather petty personal fight about the guy's religion.

Why would you think any of us would want to read your squabbling in public? That's what private messages are for.

 

These rules were posted by a senile old coffin dodging **** that no one in this part of the forum gives a **** about.

Don't take them to seriously.

 

How do you know no-one else wanted to read what the thread was meant to be about? Did you take a poll before hijacking it for your argument?

What exactly is the point of having moderators who start fights where there were none, when the sole purpose of a moderator is to stop them?

 

I rather enjoy Jip's and Fan's Arguments, have learned a lot from them. So thats 1 up for the poll then.

 

Murray, its called Mass Debating, Fan is rather good at it.

 

No, you just derailed it by attacking the OP on the basis of something completely and utterly unrelated to the thread topic.

And people can't argue without disrespecting and abusing each other, eh?

Interesting viewpoint.

 

And have it drowned out by your argument. Very poor defence ... if I went around derailing threads that you made by starting personal arguments, I doubt it'd be one you'd be very receptive to either.

And there are plenty of times I debate without resorting to disrespectful remarks. Just not with this particular tosser. You're making a judgement on me based on a tiny fraction of my input on this board. Interesting.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I'm making it based on your defence of your actions. If you'd said "Yes, I instigated this argument unnecessarily and I probably shouldn't have done that" then that would be a different matter.

 

Murray's only just finding out that GC threads are often derailed shame

 

If you don't care if anyone is able to discuss anything on the forum without their thread being trolled to hell, why'd you come and help with the setting up of this site by being a moderator? So you can help people in not being able to discuss anything and instead have things degenerate into mindless trolling and abuse? The internet has 4chan for that.

Quite honestly, I don't give a crap about the OP. My mind is just blown that you, as a moderator, felt the need to pour petrol on the situation by trolling the thread yourself. And then proceed to attack anyone who points this out.

 

I'm not naive. I'm just staggered at the level to the depths things have sunk.

I miss 606. At least things got moderated there so it didn't resemble a meaningless pit of abuse and intolerance all of the time.

 

Why would you insult my kids in response to me insulting you? Is that just how you roll?
?? english degree you say, did it not involve reading? However I know how you role. You start something then run to mick, boo hoo he called me names please mick ban him

No, 9 is the age
your daughter?

Wow, one typo
For a guy who uses spelling and grammar as a 'winning' tool, its enough

You use far more anecdotal evidence than me. I think anyone else on here would agree.
wow you dont look for approval do you? how come you are so keen to point to 'everyone else on here' all the time?

Many more wouldn't.
I take it you can back this up with figures? or are you going to poll 'everyone on here'?

Who says otherwise, you? There are no grammar problems and one typo.
so I take it you dont accept that typos are 'beel' now?

Again, one typo "firstly" spelt as "fiestly". E is adjacent to r on the keyboard. Why does this response indicate no comeback?
right, so ok for Jip to make typo's with his english degree, but someone with english as a second language is beeling, got ya

How many kids?
a few, why?

So it says in a book.
If you are referring to the Quran, then no it doesnt. If you mean in history books then yes in books. Why where do you get your info from? does it magically appear out of nothing like the universe?

Right.
still not addressing them? is that owned again?

What was lifted from newspapers? You're not making sense. I said, "I'm not the archetypal patriarch", you said "We only have your word for that", I said "We only have everybody's word for anything on here", and you reply with something about the papers?
dont know what happened there.
However its interesting that now you are claiming that all we is anybodys word, yet before you were arguing says who?

Including your wife?
my wife? she was and is a muslim. covers and all that.

Everybody picks and chooses. They pick and choose what seems right. You are no more informed than me, because your sources are heavily biased and not trustworthy.
I am plenty more informed than you on the topic at hand, that is obvious. The topic being Islam. You have shown your ignorance all day long and cling to the repetitive age thing and make comments like 'right' etc in a manner that befits a child.
As for my sources, IF they were solely Islamic you may have a leg to stand on, in the case of womens rights and the role of Islam I used Western newspapers, also in reference to the age its coomon knowledge in literature written by Muhammads 'enemies'. Remember this is a man who topped at least 2 polls in terms of influence on the world. Polls conducted by non muslims. The church even hired someone to discredit him and the man chosen couldnt.

And I dont 'pick and choose'. I accept Islam 100%, so do as Allah instructs. There is no picking and choosing its more listening and obeying
This statement in essence describes you to a T. you dont know yet argue agaisnt something you clearly dont have the slightest bit of knowledge about.
You say you dont care but cared nough to engage me in conversation (again) and continue to do so

We're not arguing about creation though
My analogy was a response to your analogy. Its progression of conversation. But typically you get 'owned' and you atttempt a deflection


Sorry?
let me explain. when backed in a corner your stock phrases are 'I dont care' and I was taking the piss'

Prove it.
prove what that he got married at that time? its documented in history and tehre is sufficient evidence to back it up
you CANNOT prove she was 9 though can you?
anyay here it is briefly, you can check it up yourself (which you wont IMO but thats your problem really)
Abu Bakr was Aishas father and he had four kids with Aisha being the youngest. First 2 from his first wife and the second 2 from Umm Ruman his second wife. All 4 were born before Islam or the 'call' as it is known
Her sister, Asma, from the first wife was 10 years old (lived to be 100)when Aisha was born
At the time of Hijra (the migration to medina and where the Islamic calender begins) Asma was 28 years old, making Aisha 18 in 1 hijra and 19 when the marriage was consumated

Yeah right, good one Fan.
Absolutely true, all you have is my word. surely that is good enough isnt it? as thats all we have?

My response was "Nah, just copying to fit in". Did you temporarily lose the ability to read?
oh I see. I will put that with the 'id ont care' and 'i was taking the piss' pile


I think you have just listed all examples of me using anecdotal evidence. There was no need topu the etcs in. On the other hand, if someone was to compile your uses of personal experience, we'd be looking at 10,000 words.
oops another typo?
ah ok I see so its the 'number' of anectdotes that can be used?

No. Like I said, she doesn't really go out without me. Usually she just goes to a mate's house.
so you say no, the 'doesnt really', which is it? and the old 'mates house' huh?

I can have sex sober and drunk. Most blokes can. And if I am drunk, chances are my wife is too. So why is it demeaning for her?
I am sure you can, however as I pointed out I find it demeaning. Having said that her being drunk may help the lass

Who says cheating is fine? Your weird friends again?
The law in western countries. It outlaws polygamy/bygamy, which is punishable. Yet cheating is not a punishable offence under the law

Nah. It's just ridiculous.
why is it ridiculous? it would solve a lot of societies issues imo


But you said only in the hereafter. You said "the emphasis is on not making anyone suffer in this life", whereas that is not the case. So if it's just Allah that can inflict suffering, maybe he used these men in Rochdale as tools to cause suffering to non-believers?
which part of this was said to Jesus confused you? its relating something that was said previously and there is a context to it. maybe read the whole surah?
However this issue has come out of me calling the men criminals, which under shariah they are.
Also just a little clarification, I explained I was talking about muslims making non muslims suffer. Will post it again
''However the emphasis is on not making anyone suffer in this life. It is haram to cause suffering to anyone including the non believers even in times of war.'' in terms of Allah causing suffering he knows best

So who was it aimed at if not Muslims?
let me tackle this bit first alone to be clear. You missed the bit I have quoted at the beginning in your verse 12-13. Allah is speaking to the angels to help the believers. The smiting etc is instructions to the angels
As for "a strategy of war", earlier you said "It is haram to cause suffering to anyone including the non believers even in times of war". Now you're saying that war strategy WAS to cause suffering. Make your mind up.
The strategy of war is verse 60 that you cited, ie being ready. remember the ayahs and verses were revealed before during and after events. In this case the first major battle for the muslims , the battle of Badr. Allah is simply telling them to be prepared and be strong. Not sure where you get the suffering part from here. It doesnt mention the word in the verse and YOU quoted it. Try and keep up with what you have said theres a good chap

So is that why you hate Jews so much? Bukhari 54:524 and Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136 state that Mo thought that rats were "mutated Jews".
Here is a thought for you, post the whole hadith. I would say read the narrative/commentary but that may be a step too far
dont get this tbh? could you clarify

Very simple. You said "Islamically one of teh most rewarde actions is to free slaves (sic)". So what were they rewarding them for? Being good slaves, obviously.
Who do you thinkis being rewarded, the slaves? . The reward is for the person who frees a slave. Muhammad and his household freed around 40k slaves

Ahh, now I see. To be fair though "Islamically one of teh most rewarde actions is to free slaves" was a bit tricky to understand. So it's only modern Muslims who have slaves then?
good so you got that bit eventually after all. modern muslims have slaves?

To be fair, it was pretty clear.
not clear enough, hence the request for clarification. will answer once it is clarified

 

do you hear yourself?

I was reading some other threads and its amazing how many times you refer to me. I must have really got to you

Tell him why I was banned and by whom

I made you into a crying, weeping little bitch

keep the insults coming, it shows you for the ridiculous, insecure, I wanna be popular on an internet forum prick you are

As for WUM , it works on you EVERYTIME

watched you grow from an insignificant poster who would make a comment and then get an answer and would come back with 'you obviously know best' (sic)
to getting a job (laugh) job, as mod and trying the whole mess with me and I will get you banned. Jeez kid how old are you? no wonder you having issues with the mrs at home. something you wanted advice for on here

I also noticed you have stopped following mick around and posting directly after him, since I pulled you up on it. Dont think we havent noticed you hovering though

job

quick do a poll and see what everybody on GC thinks

I think Murray isnt a fan of yours though, what will you do? here is a number that may help 08457 90 90 90