He also wouldn't have lost time passing Vettel and Alonso if they'd both pitted. They might have got him if they'd pitted for super softs, Vettel's lap times were blistering after he stopped, but could they have seen them to the end of the race if they'd pitted shortly after Hamilton? I think Hamilton had it all covered really, Alonso and Vettel threw away podiums rather than the win.
Well, who can say, it would've been a close call, Ferrari's pit-stops have been pretty decent so far this season, I don't think they'll make that sort of gamble again.
According to Sam Michael, Alonso had Lewis covered for the 1 lap and had he pitted he would have jumped him. According to Mclaren, Ferrari technically lost the race, not just the podium!
Bit late with responding with this Forza, sorry mate was just looking through the old posts and I came across this lol! I gather Lewis was correct to be nervous towards Alonso, he did look to be the biggest threat on Sunday. Alonso is a guy who doesn't make many mistakes and the car has finally caught up with McLaren, so maybe Lewis is starting to feel the heat from the guys he doesn't want to be up there with him. He must! consider them both his biggest rivals this year and so he wants them out of the way for as long as possible, McLaren really haven't lost ground, the rest have just caught up. Maybe they were both pissed off or worried with Seb when he got this 32nd pole as the kid is still holding on to these guys even though the holes on the floor were banned and the same for their new brakes. Lewis does seem the most annoyed out of it though, scratching his face and wiping his lips after it was mentioned. Alonso probably felt pole was out of reach anyway... Maybe Lewis and Alonso felt Seb wouldn't be a threat this weekend after the FIA's intervention, Seb beating them both in Qualifying did rub the salt in the wound and mixed it up a bit. Seb's face when he moves his bottom lip under his top does display some sort of anger towards Alonso and with regard to Qualifying in general, but not Lewis. So maybe Seb is trying to prove something to Alonso, typical racer mindset of trying to destroy the rated best on the grid? I'm also looking into eye movement now, quite interesting stuff. Looking right (their right) means fabrication and left (their left) is actual memory, I've only started to look into this so don't take my word "100%" as I'm still reading it. Lewis looks to his right a lot, meaning he is fabricating his stories, yet Seb and Alonso mostly look to their left, remembering actual things. [video=youtube;sE5vdgYeHdg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE5vdgYeHdg[/video] Lewis: 1:41, Wipes his hand on leg, he is worried with being questioned. 1:49, Struggled with the tyres. Lie. 2:07, Happy with the car. Truth. 2:10, Suprised to be on front row. Truth, but doesn't raise eyebrows to show it, so he wasn't that suprised. 2:17, Lewis looks down. He's hiding something from the interviewer, secretly he doesn't want to show it and really wants to end conversation. I reckon he knew he was not aiming for qualifying, but race pace. Would support that I did reckon McLaren set him up for race rather than qualifying. Maybe he knew he made a few mistakes in Q3 and might of felt he would be lower than 2nd and felt he got off lucky with Alonso. Seb: 0:25, Raises eyebrows and scratches nose, suprised by distance to 2nd, must know the story is too good to be true maybe. 0:30, Smooth yesterday, no problems with the car. Lie. 0:36-37, Mistakes in the last 2 races. Adjusts hat and scratches head, maybe angry with the team making mistakes on setup in qualifying in the past races. 1:03, Not sure if he is adjusting his mike or tense about that situation, but he repeats his answer twice, "All of qualifying really" So something affected his mood that day. 1:24, Scratches head with regard to Lewis, must reckon he will be the main threat on Sunday. Some frowning and not much cheer from Seb in the first conversation. Alonso: All through the video Alonso's hands are clasped together meaning he is holding back a negative attitude about something, or frustration that Ferrari still haven't got ahead yet. 2:27, Rubs nose, probably more excitement rather than anger. 3:01, Seems like Alonso I think....is biting his tongue? This might be the issue Alonso has then, he wants to tell us what he thinks about the RB8 but he cant. Seems calm enough with the car and situation to be honest. The other drivers seemed more worried about Alonso than Alonso himself. Seb 2: 2:57-3:01, Biting tongue with regard to "illegal parts". Must feel the FIA and other teams are trying to slow them down and it's pissing them off and he wants to express it badly. 3:05, Smiling and laughing, Stating the obvious. Must feel the hole was minimal (for him) in the end and egg is on their face for failing to slow them down. 3:03, Looks to the right, probably trying to think of a joke with holes involved at this moment. 3:21, Says they were not worried with missing hole, Lie. 3:55, "Even without the hole I enjoyed qualifying", Lie. I don't think he is still happy with the car. Seems Seb did set the perfect lap on Saturday and the others weren't expecting it so they must feel Seb is getting closer with perfecting the car. Out of the 3 drivers, Seb is obviously happier than Lewis and Alonso, but Lewis seems to just stare into the distance thinking to himself probably about Sunday.
Well it makes sense too. And the beeb pay Baldy Benson money for his "insight", whereas a student on a sport forum offers far more use and insight. On Hamilton fearing Alonso, is there a driver who doesn't fear him? We all know the man is relentless, and can drag a car to a far higher position than it should be in. If i were a driver, i'd be scared of facing him.
Yeah I enjoy doing it to be honest, not many things I have enjoyed in life but this I enjoy maybe now even more than F1. Sadly the BBC wouldn't hire me, I dont have family working there Indeed, I said a few days ago that both Seb and Lewis directed their entire attention to Alonso when he started to speak, where as Seb and Lewis didn't really gather the same response. Now I'm no fanboy, but I think both Seb and Lewis know who is the biggest threat this year...
Have a feeling it's Alonso's year. Hamilton 2nd and Vettel 3rd. It'll be close enough that Hamilton would have won the title if McLaren hadn't made so many mistakes with his pit stops etc, and he realises this.
I agree, it's been one crazy season for Fernando and yet he was still there in the mix taking it to the rest.
I used to absolutely loathe the guy (no idea why), but his whole attitude has really endeared him to me, this never say die, relentless style is great to watch, and good for the sport
Silver, no offence, but a lot of that psycho babble has no basis in fact, generalising peoples pysche because they bite a lip, have an itchy nose or look to the left when thinking up a lie is good in a hollywood script, as it sounds plausible, but it bears no relation to reality other than everyone has their tells, but that's what they are, their tells alone, they may share some with other people, or they may have totally the opposite meaning. It's a fascinating subject but one with many pitfalls if you get set in a typical way of thinking. BTW are you a Derren Brown fan? Now there's a smart fella who knows his stuff.
Very true Miggins, people have their different tells and perspectives on what they think it means. It can also mean different things depending on what hand they use for writing for instance. It's only really for fun more than anything serious, so nobody has to take my word for it on what I write. I have watched Derren Brown a few times, but I'm not crazy about what he does on his shows with playing tricks on groups of people. I would place it more under clever magic tricks and purpose manipulation rather than "mind reading" and revealing lottery numbers before they come up.
Re: SilverArrow's assessment of body-language… An interesting assessment Silver, which I think deserves thanks for your effort: I found it a very interesting read. Would you think it possible that one's opinion 'a priori' to such an assessment can influence one's conclusions, since it tends to be easier to find evidence to support pre-conceived ideas or beliefs (whether ultimately right or wrong)? For instance, I notice that you cite evidence for your own previous belief. This is neither criticism, nor disagreement; but a genuine question about drawn conclusions: something surely present in us all to a greater or lesser extent since ultimately it is still opinion, however well-formed or scientific one sets out to be. I suppose what I am asking is how one goes about nullifying one's previously formed opinion of someone when trying to be objective? I have not even watched the interviews. But I do find it genuinely interesting.- - -o0o- - - As an afterthought: does such an assessment take account of cultural differences, or indeed individual quirkiness which may have been influenced by family background etc.? For instance, ordinary conversation between two Englishmen tends to involve prolonged eye contact, whereas –based on my frequent visits to the USA– the same thing can be seen as rude or even intimidating there, where the norm is more for occasional glances than what they might describe as 'staring'! I must admit, I find these things fascinating. I should also offer an apology for skewing this thread 'off-topic'. I would be very happy to read a Private Message if you think it more appropriate; particularly if it should link me to any site which may allow me to discover more of the basis behind forming these opinions. Cheers. ©
Just insert "body language" in any search engine and you should really get what information you need Cosicave but there are degree's of variations as it's not entirely definate to be 100% correct. Looking at this about 3 days after what happend my perspective is slightly biased in the sense I know what will happen. I'm not going to lie that it won't be accurate to a "definite" amount. My perspective on body language is no better than any Tom, Dick or Harry as we can tell to a degree who is angry, sad etc... so sometimes this is not needed to detail the obvious as people here are capable on making their own minds up on what each body movement means. We known a smile is majorly used for happiness, so we automatically believe the person is happy, when they cry it usually means they're sad etc... But even these very obvious displays of facial expressions we see every day doesn't mean we will always be right in interpreting it. Each human being and culture in particular, is bought up differently so their interpretations will vary with each other, though all 3 drivers are from Europe so I don't think differences in culture would be majorly different to that of the degree of a Texan to an Eskimo. I'm just looking at the little details as most people don't know what they mean so they don't focus on it as they consider it useless. As you have seen I've done this in the past, not all the time as I only do it really for fun. I did though correctly interpret Lewis and Sebs body language after Qualifying at Bahrain. Lewis did a lot of lick lipping and facial scratches in his interview and he ended up 8th, Seb was calm and had focused eye contact with the interviewer like I said back then "oozing confidence" he won the race, this was before the race actually happend. I also did one on Monaco before the race, though most of it was slightly obvious (Ricciardo being pissed off) for even a person who isn't really interested in body language. Button did also look downhearted and seemed to give up already even before the race started, he did have a poor race so I was correct to a degree but you would say "its likely to happen as its Monaco". Nico was the most confident out of the lot, that looked to be correct as he believed they had the best car on the weekend after the race ended. If I remember correctly I did one with Pat Fry before the season started, seeing if they were telling lies about how deep in the **** they actually were. I said he kept on avoiding eye contact and licked his lip every 6-8 seconds and looked under pressure to turn it around quickly. Though this was at the time when the rumours were coming out of Ferrari actually producing a Fiat Panda rather than a F1 car so you could say I'm just using that situation to display what has been reported to already be true. Though Forza wanted my opinion on Frys body language to see if they were in fact lying about the situation and I said he wasn't "because because because..." in the end it turned out to be right. I also looked at Sebs interview with Sky after qualifying at Canada and I really really really! wanted to ignore what I spotted, little confidence to winning the race. I thought I must of got it wrong and ignored it and hoped it was going to be a classic run and hide for Seb. In the end body language predicted it correct as he secretly believed that he wasn't going to beat Lewis. In a sport of F1 where secrecy is used all season to hide the hand you have been delt, sometimes it's good fun to look at the little movements they cannot control.
[video=youtube;81QPQE0qJQc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QPQE0qJQc[/video] Iceman trying to hold it in.
Whilst vettel esitmates the size of his balls. carrying on from before, DB is a trickster, that's his point, he doesn't claim to be anything other, but a lot of his mind control techniques and body reading is 2nd to none. His program 'Messiah' should be watched by anyone who has considered giving money to mediums,
