Slight issue Swarbs.... who gave these guarantees? Wasnt a manager so was it John Terry?, The security guard? an angel from above? A demon? So bloke called Jim? Roman? Jesus? Even if the manager at chelsea did promise first team football what happens when hes sacked in december? I have come to the conclusion Hazard doesnt know anything about chelsea, has never seen them play and doesnt know anything of their last ten seasons and their 48 managers.
I mean guaranteed in terms of the fact that he will be better than pretty much every other wide player they have. Like saying Messi would be pretty much a guaranteed starter at every club in the world. Regardless of who the manager is. And of course, given that Hazard is an Abramovich signing, he is arguably more guaranteed to have a starting spot and play games than at any other club - just look at Torres. If he went to Utd, SAF definitely wouldn't guarantee him a starting spot if he was playing **** and didn't score for 900 minutes. Ditto Mancini at City. If anything the managerial situation at Chelsea makes it more favourable to the players, cos they are the ones with all the power.
Seriously Matth we are all entitled to our opinions but read again what you have just posted. The players cannot be compared.
I put it to you that footballers havent changed much. Most players always went for the club offering more cash, there will always be some exceptions but what you have to remember is that footballers are employees, not fans like us. Alot of them dont have club loyalty (esp the foreign players as they didnt support an English team as a child) so will naturally go where they are paid most , like someone said, as any employee in any trade would. I dont think that should be held against them. Whats changed is the fans.....instead of a bunch of people who enjoy watching football and having a laugh, most fans are slack jawed ***g0ts who read OK! magazine and the Sun and are interested in what each player is paid, which member of which girl band he is shagging, if his brother in laws cousin in caught dealing coccaine. He punches someone in a nightclub and the media turn it into a national crisis. The reason the media never used to do this is because no one used to give a ****. But nowadays people are a bunch of celebrity obsessed pussies who sit there wanting to know the ins and outs of a ducks Ar$e when it comes to a players private life, so the media report the crap because kn0b heads lap it up. I dont care how much these people are paid, I dont care which car they crashed or if they were over the limit, I dont care who he is banging. I just want to watch entertaining football god damn it!
I wonder what it feels like to support a massive joke. If United were run like that the owners would of been forced out long ago. Club is bigger than anyone including billionaire owners. Im pretty sure for City and Chelsea fans its owners>club
Hazard's preferred position is supposed to be behind the strikers, more like the Rooney position than a deep central midfield role like the one Carrick and Scholes play. Nani, Valencia and Young are a much better comparison, and those three are the reason I said we didn't really need Hazard, not that I don't think the lads a talented player because I do, but he plays a role that United already have covered.
Yup thats sooo how it is. I wish we were like United, where the owners come along and steal hundreds of millions from our profits, instead of putting money into the club. United fans are essentially paying for the Glazers to own their club. Its only because you are the most profitable club on the planet that you are able to still do that AND purchase additional players. United are probably one of only 2 clubs in the world that could be purchased in this manner (the other being Real Madrid). Still, once you have paid all the Glazers debts, you will effectively be the most powerful club on the planet, as you have far less outgoings than Madrid (in terms of wages and overheads) so you have that to look forward to. This is all sarcasm in case you didnt get that
You misunderstood. At United its United who are the biggest thing at the club. Nobody is bigger than the club. Can you honestly say the same about Chelsea. Are Chelsea bigger than Roman? The fact you need him to exist proves hes much bigger than your club. Sad really, same applies to City. Paying debt but having a real club where the manager managers and the owners stay out of the football side is a fair price to pay.
Thats cool, I get what you are saying. Obviously Romans aim is for the club to be self sufficient, that can only be made possible through years of sustained success both in the League and in Europe (hence Romans desire for the Champions League so we can get into the World Club Cup), so that millions of Asians and Africans see us and go "oooooh" and start supporting us. Also we need a bigger stadium, imo its going to be a little while until this is possbile. Atm we are just about breaking even (before you factor in transfer fees) so its going to take a few more years and a new stadum imo.
If he gets you there then fair play, tough and risky though. I think he banks on you being successful which is all well and good but this season showed how fine the margins are. You were a kick away from being in serious trouble I think. I would think top 4, CL Semi finals and an FA Cup semi final are the minimum you need each season to be ok. Finish outside the top 4 and win no cups and it could cause a big problem.
The discussion about owners and footballers is interesting. Big clubs have always been owned by rich businessmen (and their families). They were acquired for various reasons: they were local fans themselves, they wanted to help a club that is embedded in their local community. We have had the likes of Edwards and Moores families for United and Liverpool, and Jack Walker and John Hall for Blackburn and Newcastle. Loss making was not new either. Most club owners didnt make a profit from their football investments. So what's happening now is nothing new except for one big difference. The clubs until the arrival of RA had never had unlimited funds so that they could swat the competition aside in terms of wages and transfer fees. Even when Liverpool and United were getting the best players there was a sense that other clubs could also compete with the fees, if they made savings in other areas. The main difference is the fabulous wealth of the owners now: we have the billionaires from the middle East and Russia, who can pump almost unlimited amounts of money into the system and distort the market. The owners of City, Chelsea and PSG could easily pump £1 billion into their clubs without batting an eyelid. They are using these clubs and willing to spend these huge amounts to promote their global image. Can the others do that? Like Glazer and Henry and the other owners ? No chance As for footballers, if they are leaving one club for another. Why wouldn't go for one which pays them better? if in addition they get to play in the big competitions thet's even better. IF City is willing to pay twice for Van persie for xample than Arsenal is willing to pay, who can blame RVP for going to City? City are champions and will play in the CL too. Footballers have a short career and it is up to the clubs to pay the asking price. The law of supply and demand.
Probably, but Roman will spend to make sure that doesnt happen (hence the signings of Hazard, Marin and probably Hulk). I still think Roman has a problem in that any manager he hires will be undermined by the senior Players (JT, Lamps, Cech, A Cole), so he needs someone with authority who had the balls to make those decisions, and he also needs the backing of the board. AVB lost the respect of the senior players by not playing them (presumably because he was trying to blood some youngsters) and because he wasnt getting the results, the senior players whined to Roman and AVB was **** canned. I really think you cannot get a more poisoned chalice than Chelsea the Chelsea managers job right now, even if you are an awesome manager and win us loads of trophies (as Jose and Carlo did) then Roman ousts you after one season of "failure" (Failure in RA's terms, meaning he didnt win the league and/or Champions League). The only job that comes close to ours in terms of the poison chalice is Liverpool. But thats mainly due to the unreasonable expectations the fans have.
Matth. You are setting yourself up for a fall potentially there. Kagawa is a very good prospect who has done extremely well in Germany; a difficult league. However Hazard also is a very good young player who we were linked with heavily. There is no guarantee either player will do well next season. Better players have come into England and struggled. Veron anyone?
