Found this on various media: I have had enough of "scum" in football, we all have them and they are the fecking ****s of society, even at Leeds I hear them spewing their drivel about "pakis", it's pathetic and enough is enough, time for the real supporters to turn against these scum fat bastards and let them rot in the hell hole they belong. ****ing hate em, all of them. http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16244318
Not sure what that would do, but if it stops this kind of thing and makes those responsible, criminals, then I fully support it and the **** life those who enjoy it have for the rest of their miserable lives and beyond.
The incident you posted happened because a steward was having a go at fans for basically doing **** all - either lighting a flare or displaying an 'illicit' banner. Either way, they're being an arse and trying to get a proper supporter arrested for getting behind their country, not someone who's harmed another fan, just someone whose passion doesn't fit in with the 'clean, modern image' his overlords are trying to portray in this tournament, to the detriment of the fans that really matter. Now I know not everyone wants to be surrounded by the terrible blight of flares and banners, but that's what corporate areas are for, and if UEFA are so concerned about separating the supporter from the spectator, they should set up zones accordingly inside the Euro 2012 stadia. They failed to do that. It's no surprise that the fan in question gets backed up by his fellow countrymen who proceed to kick the **** out of the stewards for trying to have the bloke arrested. Self-defence, you could call it. I say 'get the stewards out of the stands' because their job should be to stop innocent people from getting physically hurt, not trying to hurt innocent people themselves by chucking them in a Police van and getting them banned from watching the game they loved. Fair play to the Russians for sticking up for themselves, and the stewards should get a proper ****ing job if they're offended by football fans and seek to rat them out to the Police. Edit: if it were a totally unprovoked attack on a steward just standing in the concourse, obviously that would be an aggressive attack rather than self-defence, so would be different. But I find it hard to find any sympathy for this snitching, fluorescent-jacketed arsewipe 'volunteer'.
Thats the reaction you get when someone shouts, Bates is taking over your club.......................................
What pisses me off is whenever England tries to suggest perhaps giving major international sporting events to countries ridden with extreme right wing fascism and racist violence especially in stadiums is a bad idea, we are attacked for things that happened years ago like the National Front and Slavery. Say what you like but England is one of the few countries to have managed to actually stamp out racism from our domestic game, how many nations can you name that had a big problem with football related racism and fascism have managed to remove it almost completely? England and our fans were dragged through the dirt during the 80's and 90s and even the early 2000s for the "British disease". Our fans were portrayed as right wing, neo nazi, scumbags who were looking for a fight wherever they went and to an extend (a slight one, it was grossly over exaggerated by Anti British/English bias) it was true but we stamped it out and we've had barely any praise for that from UEFA/FIFA or the international footballing community yet when countries such as Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Spain, Portugal (as seen by Man City been fined more for kicking off late than Porto's racist chanting) ect are been given free passes to behave like this with barely any criticism or condemnation for......infact countries that point this out are given more criticism and condemnation. It was the same for the FIFA corruption scandal and the BBC documentary. We received alot of criticism for destroying and almost sacrificing our world cup bid in order to expose corruption among the highest levels of the game. Did anyone criticise the corrupt officials who were obviously accepting bribes apart from England? no. It seems no matter what England does it is demonised by UEFA/FIFA/International Footballing Community even when standing up against such evils as corruption, racism, fascism and violence.
Security was handled excellently in South Africa for 2010. Best memory is German police all in black simply picking up a huge German fan and carrying him out of the stadium - end of situation. Security, etc., should be left to appropriatlely trained and equipped secuirty personnel not volunteers. I find it interesting that some on here defend a spectator's right to launch a flare which could go into the crowd or hit someone on the pitch causing serious injury like the loss of an eye.
Good job Russia wasnt playing in Ukraine huh? No excuses would be needed to beat up a steward there. Stewards have a hard job and we should not treat them so badly. Why? If we didn't have stewards we would have police and costs would soar. We either put up with cheap stewards or go for pricey cops. Having seen the mess the cops made in the 80s of their job, especially in the midlands I would have stewards anyday
Stewards enable more families to attend matches, they make the women feel safer and for dad's who would not be classed as a hardcore supporter to take their kids to a game of football and maybe introduce them to their first game. We do need them as far as I am concerned BUT maybe the stewards need a little more understanding of what their job description is. Why don't they use a careful selection of clubs own fans to steward games?
What are you on about, how can you justify these Russian fans acting in this way toward someone who has volunteered to help the the matches run smoothly...? I have watched football in Russia and I can tell you that even with Stewards and Police there will be fan fatalities when they host the World Cup in 2018. I have seen Russian fans throwing Flares, starting fires, carrying bricks and Molotov cocktails. Was this the stewards fault for checking tickets? Without stewards it would be far worse, I know that been told to sit down at Leeds is a pain but this does not happen abroad so I have nothing bad to say about foreign stewards. Russian fans in these pictures were clearly out of order & not the stewards... Disgraceful attitude to blame the unpaid volunteer and not one I thought you would have taken.
FIFA & UEFA are clearly willing to condone such racism and corruption. They have failed to tackle it on a global scale & have rewarded Portugal, Russia, Poland & the Ukraine with the largest events. They will not change until the image of the beautiful game has been ruined and the sponsorship dries up.
My question here is the bleedin obvious, everyone knew for years what racist countries these championships are being hosted so why hold them there in the first place ????
Other countries do seem to get a free pass for racism and hooliganism where we've stamped it out and still been treated like ****, and it's all part of the clear ant-British/English bias in UEFA and FIFA which has also seen us lose a WC bid where we clearly had the best bid. Also, with all due respect to Jerel, it's time people stopped confusing passion and hooliganism, although granted I don't know the ins and outs of this particular case.
I think you're confusing handheld flares and flare guns. If he shot a flare gun to attack another fan, like I said above, I'd be all for him being ejected for that. But it seems all he did was try to light an unharmful handheld one and the stewards were all over him. I don't mind them as long as they aren't interventionist nobheads. Sadly the majority of them are, and go way beyond just stopping violent altercations, in fact going as far as to causing them sometimes, as in this instance. Because, like I said, they were overreacting and trying to get him arrested for what is at best a minor talking-to rather than a full-blown crime. No, it's the fans' fault for bringing those things into the stadia. Although it's my understanding that especially Russian fans tend to do that sort of thing outside of the grounds and away from innocent, non-violent fans, so I question whether what they're doing is particularly wrong at all. Once again, if he were just standing there minding his business and they all piled into him like a tonne of bricks, I'd have been concerned about their motives. But it's obvious there was some aggro beforehand, and it was the fault of the mighty fluorescent ones. My impression is that these people weren't hooligans in the traditional sense of the word - all the actual fan-on-fan violence at this tournament has happened in city centre drinking establishments - they were just sticking up for a fellow supporter and countryman who was being threatened with a night in a cell, a football banning order and no doubt some rough treatment from the notoriously brutal Eastern European police who have a enforce a hard line and make an example at this most scrutinized of tournaments. So I say fair play to them. I'll reiterate that my argument is not condoning aggressive violence or the harming of innocent people, it's defending people who are standing up for their personal and collective freedom.
You might want read more of his comments. Fans that matter are ones that display illicit banners and light flares
He threw the ****ing flare! The steward was doing his ****ing job, but yet you think his fellow fans have a right to attack the rest of the stewards as its a case of self-defence?!?!?
My point is, this is the sort of rubbish that Jerel, or whatever his name is this week, spouts on a regular basis!
