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Germany to go out in group stages...

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by CanariesSoccer, Jun 8, 2012.

  1. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    Van Persie is loads better so I don't think you can really complain that he's being chosen over Huintelaar. The reason the Dutch fans don't like Van Persie is because he doesn't play aswell for the national team as he does for Arsenal, but that was always going to be the case when the team is set up to supply him at Arsenal while the team is set up for Sneijder and Robben at International level.

    I think Van Persie will be better with Afellay on the right and Robben on the left though (if thats how they're setting up) because they'll be crossing first time into the box rather than cutting inside and shooting.
     
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  2. Carra_Rud

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    So, he's "loads better" but doesn't play as well for the national team.<doh>

    Sounds like you agree with picking international players by name, and not ability. I wonder who you support?
     
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  3. Lucaaas

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    Well Rooney is loads better than Crouch but hasn't played as well goalscoring wise as Crouch on the international stage. He's still loads better than him.

    And no, I don't agree with picking players on name not ability, I agree with picking your best players and building the team around them.

    Like England should've done ages ago with Scholes in the late 90s early 2000s and then Gerrard/Rooney 2004 onwards.
     
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  4. Carra_Rud

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    So why pick RVP over Huntelaar when the latter performs better at international level?
     
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  5. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    A number of reasons in my opinion.

    Huntelaar performs better and has a better goalscoring record partly because of the fact he starts against the lesser nations.

    Also choosing Van Persie over Huntelaar gives the side greater potential as Van Persie has a higher level of performance to reach than Huntelaar does. Its the same reason why Rooney is chosen over Crouch/Holt etc.

    And Van Persie is a better all round striker and is more involved in the build up play than Huntelaar, who is just an out an out goalscorer. Van Persie is that and more.
     
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    Before this game started everybody predicted a Holland win, and a comfortable win at that. RVP started instead of Huntelaar, and look what happened. Lets see if Huntelaar can save them.
     
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  7. Lucaaas

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    It had nothing to do with that. Holland lacked ideas and creativity in the last third and were wasteful, RVP included, infront of goal. Huntelaar came on and was equally wasteful by missing the best chance of the game (probably). The problem was deeper than the selection of Huntelaar/Van Persie.
     
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  8. Carra_Rud

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    Mate, RVP missed so many chances.

    Lacked ideas and creativity you say - I say they had 29 shots (twenty-nine). Have a word with yourself!

    Edit - just seen this tweet - Wesley Sneijder created 10 goalscoring chances for &#8234;#NED&#8236; v &#8234;#DEN&#8236; - no player has created more in a Euro Finals game between 1980-2012.
     
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    Bad Performances: Dutch Back 4, Van Bommell, Afellay, Van Persie (couldn't hit a barn door!)

    Good Performances: De Jong (better than his partner in DM), Robben

    Stunning Performance: Sneijder (created host of chances for his misfiring teammates)

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    Shocking shooting display!
     
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  10. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    I believe their wide players did, yes. Afellay and Robben should've been demolishing the Danish full backs but instead they kept choosing the wrong options everytime on the ball.

    That two undisputably class talents like Robben and Afellay were shackled by AZ Alkmaar and FC Copenhagen full backs then you know something's going wrong somewhere.
     
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    Sneijder wasn't shackled! 10 goalscoring chances created!

    RVP was awful, and Huntelaar would of scored at least one of the handful of clear chances RVP had. You can't give Huntelaar 15 minutes and expect him to save you.

    You were wrong, there is absolutely no doubt about it!
     
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  12. Lucaaas

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    I didn't say Sneijder was shackled.

    And Huntelaar fluffed the 1v1 chance he had himself so I'm not quite sure on what basis you are claiming that Huntelaar would've definitely scored and succeeded where Van Persie didn't.

    I bet you think Argentina would be a better team without Messi too.
     
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  13. Carra_Rud

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    The point is, you intimated that Huntelaar was/is a better player at international level, yet you still said RVP should play instead of him.

    People that know a hell of a lot more than us about Dutch football were dismayed that Huntelaar was sat on the bench, and their fears were quite clearly realised.
     
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