It's true that they shouldn't be punished for finding racism offensive, and I don't think they are being. I think they're being punished for accepting their call-up to the squad in spite of what they know regarding the racism situation in Poland/Ukraine, then traveling to one or both of those countries in spite of that situation, and then finally deciding that the middle of a game is the place to decide they maybe weren't so keen to play after all. It made me laugh to hear Mario Balotelli giving his two-penneth, saying he'll walk off if those dastardly Poles and Ukrainians abuse him. This is the same Mario Balotelli whose OWN FANS chant "there's no such thing as a black Italian" at him.
In the first place, they can't always, in the second, not all fat bastard footballers are actually fat. Perhaps the effeminate looking ones can't alter their looks, but in any event, why would it matter? Abuse is abuse.
I've no idea. I would have thought if there was only one fat bastard, abuse would be even worse for them.
Yes Erik, because after such a change he didn't receive any level of abuse whatsoever Only in extreme cases can people be unable to lose weight. And even they shouldn't have been eating 20 McD's meals a day in the first place. I actually didn't catch on that you mean footballers, I thought you meant people in general. Either way, the past doesn't help. Ie insulting Jews & Blacks will always receive a far worse backlash because of what has been allowed to happen in the past.
Your completely correct in that all forms of abuse are unacceptable and it won't only be black players receiving it in Poland/Ukraine. Their idiots are also very anti-semetic so expect any players of Jewish descent to face abuse. I also think this applies to the english football, it's only ever black players that take offence to comments about their race, I've been at games and heard black players call white players 'white boys' and other players call Irish players 'paddy's'. While it's racist to say black people are more sensitive, other victims of racist abuse do not seem to want to take it further.
When these things are discussed, it's generally slanted at whites towards blacks, yet I recall seeing some figures that show most racism occurs between blacks of different groups. Abuse is wrong, but so is discrimination. On that note, I think I'd best end my involvement before this slides too far down the usual route.
Not abuse, but I think you should have the right to judge. Ie you shouldn't judge someone who's black or gay, because it's not a choice. But if someone is obese, although I don't necessary dislike them, and would never randomly shout abuse at them, I find it extremely irritating that they victimise themselves, when it's their own fault for eating all that **** in the first place. Obviously I'm not applying this to everyone that's fat, just those that somehow blame everything but themselves for their issues.
So basically your saying put up with racist abuse or don't play for your country? Great attitude to take.
Exactly this, the fact fat people compare their plight to racist abuse sums them up. It's a choice in all but a tiny minority of cases, while they don't deserve abuse, they certainly don't deserve the sympathy they seem to crave.
Obesity is far, far more complex than that and has numerous physical and mental causes. If it was as simple as you suggest, the whole diet industry would never have developed in the first place. To feel okay about abusing people when you say yourself that not all can control it doesn't put you in a very good light at all and even if you were qualified in psychiatry or other medical area, certainly leaves you in no position to judge.
See above. You're talking nonsense. Don't forget, this is professional athletes we're talking about. Some people really need to give their had a shake if they can justify abusing a section of society based on their ill-informed sterotypes.
This was a good discussion until you started putting words in my mouth. 1) At no point did I suggest that dieting your way down from obesity was simple. 2) At no point did I say that I think it's okay to abuse people about it. 3) I'm well aware of the physical and mental issues surrounding obesity, there is no need to talk as though I am some simpleton that doesn't understand how anything works. You can read into it all you want Dutch, I'm sure the majority of people won't see me as some disgraceful human being who thinks all overweight people should be lined up and shot - hell, I'm hardly skinny myself. I regret putting my age on my posts - Certain people seem to think I'm some moronic kid as opposed to a respectable poster now.
You may want to read again before using the word 'abuse', I've already stated they don't deserve that. Gaining weight is the result of surplus calorific intake, refined foods and sedentary lifestyles accelerate this in modern culture. Your right it's a choice in only a few cases, the majority of cases it is laziness, ignorance and lack of will power, they wouldn't choose to be fat but do not have the knowledge, motivation or desire to do anything about it. It's far more a societal issue than a personal one. Yes there are many physical and mental causes too, but these contribute to only a very small number of cases. Before you argue, I know a lot more about this than you, a family member works in this sort of research. So continue to state your opinions as fact but they will only be true in your head. I'm not going to lecture you any more, if you want to know why your wrong then do some research.
I have no idea nor interest in your age and it wouldn't make much difference to my reply. As for the rest of the quote, your response on post #31 contradicts most of what you've just put.
I've had dealings with some of the people in the industry myself, but wouldn't be fool enough to think that made me an expert anymore than being a dress designers son meant I could sew. If you feel comfortable abusing the overweight in society, at lease don't try to hide behind youw prejudism having some sort of medical justability. That's a very slippery slope in itself. Far better that instead of being defenisve, you sit and think about where your prejudices come from.
How does it contradict? I said in #31 that you should have the right to judge - ie you should have the right to think negative thoughts about them, I didn't say anything about abuse. I also clearly stated in that post that I don't apply it to every person that's overweight, only those who complain as though it's not their fault (yes, we know, in some cases it's not) in #36 I've pretty much just clarified - I see no contraction whatsoever.
