I'm a jack and I love nothing more than posting a few wums on here as itâs in my blood, and boy have u given us jacks some ammo recently On a serious note though, and putting my fellow countrymans hat on, this investment is the best thing that has happened to Cardiff and should finally get them out of the **** debt wise. The Malaysians as much as I hate to admit it do seem to love the club (well we all have or vices) and are not just in it to make a few quid. So why donât you push for a compromise with them and say - yes we accept the changes to our badge and strip colours are needed to push the club forward in modern football - but respect our history and allow the team to play in blue (away strip) for the first and last home game of the season, every season to respect the clubs history. If enough supporters call for that I can't see how they can refuse and it will certainly appease a lot of supporters
Hi Stid. Nice to see some decent comments. For me, and despite my love of tradition, the change of colour is a positive move for a club which over the years has put in so much work to change it's image and raise it's profile. With the introducion of a new manager and his clear intent on changing the ethos at the club, I think this latest change will create a sense of a new beginning and perhaps even a new dynasty. I'm actually very pleased that they are making so much of our Welshness because we are the capitol city of a fine and proud country. (please, that was not a dig at Swansea - our position as capitol is what it is, and as well as enjoying it, we should also take on the responsibilities). Tradition is a strange thing, and I think we make more of it by way of nostalgia rather than real history. Yes, we've had some wonderful moments in blue and white, but has there been anything like a proud dynasty of great success? With all the changes, I like to think that this is the start of a new Cardiff City, one that can settle down and become stronger. I can also see the change as being commercially astute for a capitol city of a small nation wearing the colours of that nation. I'm sure it will have appeal. That said, I'm more excited about the fact that we are doing something brave and new. Sorry to see the blue go, but perhaps when our grand kids are enjoying european football, blue to them will be as relevent as yellow and brown is to us. Thanks again for a good thread Stid. Don't worry, you haven't prejudiced your Jack loyalties by speaking to your fellow welshmen. I hope you get some comments in return.
I also hope the bigger picture which may come to fruition is with the training facilities we are looking to put in place, Wales will also benefit from the upgrade and the kids coming through will have a better chance to become International class. Here's hoping that in my lifetime i could actually go to a major championships and watch my Country.
"The Malaysians as much as I hate to admit it do seem to love the club (well we all have or vices) and are not just in it to make a few quid." I see no evidence of this at all. Asian speculators that are clearly not averse to playing hard ball to get what they want. The only thing they love is the idea of making money.
Hi KJ. Hope you're keeping well. I'm sure (as is evident) everyone will have a theory on the Malaysians motives and long term strtegy, but while you are correct in your remarks about evidence, there is equally no evidence to suggest that they are as unscrupulous as you suggest. As I said in my earlier post, many here see the change as a positive move for many reasons other than financial - though financial stability will be the main product. I also totally agree with cvd in that this could well be a defining point in history for both club and country as the benefits of the big picture roll out.
Every thread Aussie, seriously your obsessed. Nobody cares what you think though, not even the Jacks.
Stid, A good post m8, we don't mind a bit of banter from your near neighbors in fact we expect it. you can take it in the same way. I think that most Cardiff fans are happy with things, would liked to stay Blue but not the end of the world. Good luck next season and hope beyond hope that we will join you soon.
Having already pumped in approximately £40 million thus far and the promise of another £100 million into a football club. An industry known for it's poor return to investors suggests otherwise Knacker. Of course in the long term they want to make money. Was Huw Jenkins decision to purchase the Swans driven purely by loyalty to the club, the answer is no. He invested time, money and effort to get the Swans where they are today. He will reap the benefits now you're in the top flight and good luck to the man.
didnt he allow the club to go into admin before 'rescuing' them? anyway, back to cardiff. i'm a cardiff fan and i know little about our finances. so for a jack to be so 'in the know' then you must lead a very, very sad , researching our finances...... if we were debt free then i would say no to the investment as it would all go on mercenary players. however we will become a far stronger club with a 35,000 stadium, no langston debt, new facilities, great academy. unlike the smaller teams in the PL who will always battle relegation however many years they are in it, we could quite conceivably be a solid mid table team in the coming years.....
I made that comment to a Swan some time back. He was harping on about how much Jenkins loved the club as was doing the best for them for no return. I pointed out that if he loved them that much he'd have bought them before they went into admin.......except that would have cost him more. Cheaper for him, more costly for the businesses that only got 10p in the pound.
I've deliberately avoided the wum threads on your board and I hope this stays wum free. I don't know the finances at Cardiff and won't even pretend I do but I am interested to see what your opinions are. Posters coming on your board and taking the Mick are out of order. If the majority of fans are happy with the change in colour then so be it as it's your business nobody elses. So, do you agree with the colour change? Where will the money be invested ? And when will the investment put into the club.? We are down to just 2 Welsh league clubs and anyone with the national team at heart knows we need both Swansea and Cardiff to be as strong as possible to help make the Welsh team stronger.
just read the echo, and there is a load of waffle and stuff we already knew, but no figures and timeframe. it does say that tan has invested £40m in loans so far, and that he has the option to convert that to equity if they want to. 'they have always shied away from that because they want to retain the welsh connection, thats why they havent done that previously'. hmmm...
where did our history go then>>>>>>aint we cardiff city football club anymore........im sure thats the name on the fa cuP not bluebirds>>>>>>by the way fa cup year badge for our club had a dragon and no sign of a bluebird at all......so maybe just maybe getting rid of a nickname is gonna bare fruit like the good old days dress it up how you like stid your a **** and a cheap shot prick for even thinkling of kicking fellow welshmen(as you claim).when on the floor......go fk yourself cocker your full of crap with a yellow jack stripe down your back................
I don't know the finances at Cardiff and won't even pretend I do but I am interested to see what your opinions are. Posters coming on your board and taking the Mick are out of order. If the majority of fans are happy with the change in colour then so be it as it's your business nobody elses. The consensus is about 70million in debt which is incredible for a club the size of Cardiff, how they have been allowed to acrue that amount is beyond me and testament to owners and fans blindly chasing the premier league dream. Unfortunately this has paved the way for moneymen totally unconnected to the club to takeover and impose what they want. This isnt only a Cardiff City matter, its about Corporate football and the way us fans are becoming disenfranchised. I have sympathy for those of you who are against all this but to those of you who support it : enjoy the spectacle! good rant about it here http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/06/the-fiver-cardiff-city-colour ps this is not a Swansea/Cardiff thing but Im sure it will be brought up so.. the Swans have also messed up financially (though nowhere near on the same scale) and ripped people off who were owed money (not good). thankfully we have learned our lesson and are running a tight and sustainable ship.
Yep, that was a bit of a rant, shame he can't understand we'd have been in admin a long while ago if the Malaysians didn't buy into Cardiff City. Some people really need to see the reality of the situation we were in thanks to Sam, who is still trying to hold us to ransom over a poorly constructed loan agreement.
yes fair play it was harsh on the Malaysians, they may have good intentions but lets face it they now have you between a rock and a hard place and can start to impose THEIR vision of what Cardiff City should be and that probably wont be yours. You mention Sam getting you into this mess but I didnt hear many dissenting voices when he was splashing the cash and talking about being as big as Barcelona or that all Welsh footie fans should get behind you! - infact you lapped it up and have been chasing the dream ever since.
Exile, of course fans lapped up what Sam was selling. We'd been in the lower reaches for so long it was a massive boost for the club. Who wouldn't be caught up in the dream? Sadly Sam was less than fothcoming about the funding and was found out relatively quickly by the council and they would not deal with him. Are you implying you would not have been caught up in the dream if your club was put in the same position? By that I mean exactly the same position. Hats off to Huw for getting you where you are in a more prudent manner.
I think Swans fans are a lot wiser this time around - weve been down and out and now we are running a very steady ship - i dont think there are many who would compromise our secure positon even if we were to end up back in the lower leagues. yes i can understand you chasing the dream but somewhere along the line the fans and board should have taken a reality check and implemented drastic measures to reduce your running costs. instead you kept living way beyond your means and still do - paying wages way over the odds for a championship club - considering youve been getting good gates how the hell are you losing 1 million a month!? also there must be a lack of transparancy about your finances - not that long ago people were talking about 32 or 24 or some were saying 16 million - now its 70!! i have sympathy for fans who have now lost any control of the club but you reap what you sow and everyone who supported and believed the crap from Hamman and Risdale has to take responsibility.
The word Ridsdale should be banned from football forums!!!!!!!!! Dont think the £1m a month is as simple as just losing that amount. We dont I believe pay Langston a penny. We do however make payments to PMG. Therefore reducing that debt. We owe Ray Ranson (an appalling deal by Ridsdale). If we sell a player we pay him. The rest of the debt is virtually all Langston (Sam) and the Malaysians , Borley and I think Isaacs. All sharehoders in the club. The only way they get their money back is with promotion as I cant see anyone paying £70m for one of our players. Therefore they are chasing their money. If we owed a large percentage to HMRC , Football clubs , other businesses we would probably in danger of admin.
