dont really give a **** tbh, but when we were 1 league above you, you were still better than us from your 16 years of history before that.. We know that according to the mags, we will never be good enough, deluded ****ers. And I am 40 years old, and been in a betting shop twice in my life, 1st with my Grandad when I was 8, next with my mate when I was about 23, he put a grand which he could not afford on a few bets, not 1 came in, so he lost a grand, I knew before that I would never bet, but that was the straw that broke the camels back for me, I knew definately i would never bet, and i havnt. But If i did bet, pardew is a gonner before christmas.
Your last sentence in the same post as one calling mags deluded really makes you look like an idiot. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it is deluded straw clutching at it's finest to predict it. Start using the few brain cells you have a little more ey
eh Newcastle will be very hard pushed to keep pace with what they done last year, its not impossible, nothing is impossible, but its going to be very hard to do it. Chelsea will improve, Liverpool will improve, Everton may actually have a fast start for once, we may improve on last year (if we dont then something is drastically wrong from the start we had) Stoke will be better without Europe. There are a **** load of permutations, if you get the Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton in the 1st 7 games, you may be looking 2-3 points from 7 games, same might happen to us as well, but if it does i just think MON will get more time than Pardew will. I said in Jan Pardew will be the 1st manager sacked next season, and I am sticking to that, and that is using my brain.
But your prediction relies on a lot of **** happening that could happen to anyone. And thats where straw clutching comes in. Lets just hope that the worst set of circumstances all come together, then Pardew will be sacked. No logic behind it. I doubt even your scenario would lead to Pardew getting sacked anyway.
Would Newcastle want to do well in Europe, but fall down the table? Or do better in the league, and drop out of europe quicker? Or do they have the strength to do well in both? Man Utd and Citeh both fell out of Europe, and I still have a feeling it was because of the league. It was a 'im better than you' battle of the Manc's. I dont think Mancini is as good a manager as Fergie, and so if he focused on Europe, he would have fallen down the table in the league. Same as Utd. Their squad wasn't as strong as it has been in the past. Chelsea won the CL as i think Matteo knew he didnt have a hope of winning the League, so he focused on the cups and Europe. And finally with Liverpool, KK knew he couldn't do well in the league, but he hoped the Cups would save his job. No one at this moment can say who's going to do better between us and SAFC. I do believe MoN is a better manager than Pards. MoN has European experience with Celtic and Villa, whereas Pards has none? (please correct me if im wrong). NUFC has a good squad for the league, but is it strong enough for both domestic and european comps? No i dont think so. But the transfer window isnt even open yet, and thats where the answer is going to be. If Pards strengthens well enough, they are in with a shot and some luck with the draw. If SAFC do well in the market, we have every opportunity to be in Europe the year after next. I believe of the two managers, MoN will do better. Ashely might sell Tiote (especially with the figures quoted for him), Cayabe, Ben Arfa, and Krul (especially if he has a good Euro). If Carr can work his magic again, I can see them being replaced by more Frenchies. In conclusion, Im stoked North East football is doing well. Its about time we stuck it to the South and told London to **** off, we are a viable place to be for footballing reasons. If NE footie gets stronger, BOTH of us can push on. Rivalry is all well and good, but it always makes both teams stronger. And that's what we want.
Great post HH, but in answer to your starting question, I believe anyone in their right mind would be happy slipping down the league because of Europe. Otherwise, what's the aim year on year? If you drop out early to do better in the league, you will just be facing the same dilemma the year after. Imo, when you get the chance to compete in European competition, you embrace it and prioritise it above the league.
I think taht's fair, and also competing in Europe allows you to bring in a higher calibre of player, meaning you find it easier to juggle the 2. The problem clubs like us have isn't getting a good, solid first XI, even 13, it's getting enough good quality back up to rotate and for it not to cost. That's the toughie, especially with FFP on the horizon.
I severely doubt that FFP will seriously affect any club no matter what they're financial state. I hope they prove me wrong.
For me, it will only further help clubs with massive turnover, who can generate profit (and fiddle their sponsorships). We are both well run clubs, but we are in and around break even, so we have to grow the financial side to contemplate bigger squads, and higher wage bills. We'll manage to stay within the guidelines, but it'll stunt any chance of growth, without massive marketing success.
I agree mate, to get into Europe, but to drop out so soon is basically what has been happening with us the last year with the cups. Getting knocked out to the likes of Brighton etc. We were all stoked to make it to the quarters, and tbh, i was happy we made it that far, but against Everton I wasn't kidding myself. It was good to have a cup run. If we got into Europe, I would want us to make a go of it. Even if it meant we weren't getting draws against the big teams (so long as we were winning against teams we should be winning against). If both of us were doing well, and consistently getting into Europe, people wont be so put off by it. The NE would be the place to be for competitive football. Hopefully by that time footballers would have grown some balls and told their wags to shop on Ebay and get **** delivered instead of wasting hours away down the markets. If Newcastle and Sunderland are doing well (even Middlesbrough), then we can attract the bigger names up here and keep improving. Personally I think in this regard we need each other. I know people will disagree with me due to personal feelings and rivalries, but in order to improve this misconstrued conception that the NE is the pits, we both need to be kicking ass in the table for people to take notice. European football would guarantee this. Which brings me back to my original question... would sacrificing Europe to consistently get Europe be the way to go (maintaining a balance between the two) to keep bringing these players in, or go hard in Europe and wait a season to try to get back in (if you dont win it)...? It is an interesting dilemma.
It is my opinion that Pardew is going to get the boot next season and probably be the 1st one to get the boot. If it doesnt happen, fine, I dont really care, I just believe it will, again its my bloody opinion, I am entitled to it even if you spit your dummy out and dont like it, tough ****.
I have, you will NOT have the same season as you had last season. I get a job and I go in there all guns blazing, what takes others 4 hours to do and if I take 2 hours. The management will want everyone to do it in 2 hours, and get extra work done, not just sit on our arses, I have been in situations like that where the work force have pulled me to one side and said hold your horses, slow down a bit or we are all going to get in trouble. same with pardew, he had such a good season last season, he cant better it, dont care what anyone says, you will NOT better last season league wise, you could be 4 places lower and even more. but again its all hindsight, even you saying he wont be sacked, prove he wont be sacked, you cant, just like I cant prove he will. Not sure how its straw clutching, I dont care if you have pardew for 2 weeks or 20 years, no skin off my nose.
How is your job metaphor or whatever it was even relevant? If you can do a job in 2 hours, that means you can do it in 2 hours. If you can finish 5th in the prem, doesn't mean you can do it every year, as the situation is always changing as other clubs strengthen. Terrible comparison. We know we're over achieving, top 8 is the aim next year and if we are in and around that, Pardew will remain in his job. If you think we will be outside the top 10 next year, then your argument about Pardew being sacked is a little more credible, but I'd be intrigued to hear why you think we will finish that low next year..
Pretty sure pardew said before the season even finished. We are where we thought we would be next season, so are 1 season ahead of where we expected to be. this to me means next season you are looking at europe again as a minimum, and maybe even CL (not my words, Pardews himself) All I can say is good luck with that, as he is going to need it, and tal about putting yourself on a pedestal. Good on YOU, you are saying yourself you dont expect it, thats great, Pardew does though, its a big fall if he fails to deliver, and even you said he probably will. Anyway im bored of this, if this post doesnt make you see where I am coming from then nothing will, so its a pointless argument. I do not think you will get 5th next season, Pardew expects to at least match it, if not go better, chances are it wont, bye bye Pardew.
Stop saying things as if they are facts. Obviously, we felt we could be in Europe this coming season, not the one just passed. However, we got there ahead of schedule. Therefore, we must revise our targets, which is why Pardew has come out and said publicly we cannot reasonably expect to finish top 6, and we will aim for a cup run and a top 8 finish. Therefore, no, your statements are wrong, as our over achievement has meant that, as any sensible person would, our manager and the board have revised our targets.
