Firstly I must credit Page Moss for the link, thank you, but I think this point is worthy of a thread. Essentially the role that, lets face it, nobody likes is not going to be implemented again according to the Echo: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/06/02/new-liverpool-fc-boss-brendan-rodgers-outlines-his-vision-while-insisting-he-s-not-a-yes-man-100252-31097645/ I think this is fantastic as it means there will be one man in charge of everything, and quite frankly, Rodgers seems right up for the job and I think this will really help him implement his vision. What is everyone's feelings? Will it affect our ability to sign top players?
His name is Rodgers with a 'd'... There will still be a supporting network, just not a dreaded Director of Football...
Oh okay sound. It's a very positive move though I think. I've been impressed by his bullishness so far.
Not a director of football, but there will be a team of people working with Rodgers, he has said that much already. Expect to see the DoF role split up into 3/4 lesser roles (like Ayre has said last week) with smaller influences. This leaves Rodgers as the man in charge, but with plenty of backroom support who will work with him on various roles.
Too early to say if its good or bad really. Depending on who exactly is appointed will have a big say if its right or wrong. Whilst I of course hope Rodgers is a success if he isn't and say in a couple of seasons we are looking again what kind of continuity will be in place? I was hoping that a DOF would mean that whatever is happening with the manager the system, personnell, philosophy would remain fairly stable; thats not to say the imminent appointment won't provide that though.
We may not ba able to attract the big names now, But if we start to show good direction and Liverpool look to be on the up......Then any good player who is not settled with a big club would love to come to us....
You obviously didn't read my post very well! Your point is fine as long as Rodgers is a success, if not will the team have any continuity should Rodgers be relieved of his duties?
I think personally we're back to over paying wages to get anyone in. I also think if it's true then the word plan hasn't got much meaning at anfield.... if you split up "DoF" you get chief scout, water boy and academy chief.... all in all no matter what you think rafa took way too much on and as a result the first team went to pot.. if we are goign to hand the same to a less expereinced and lesser name its a truely massive gamble.
Whilst you have a point to some extent at the moment those teams have no problem attracting the top players(having the finances may though) which means its a little easier for whoever comes in to change things. With the model that we seem to be building its important that we retain continuity between managers. Lets say for instance that Carro, Adam and Hendo do not fit into Rodgers plans, we have to hope we can get rid for somewhere near what we paid for them in order to be able to replace them with anything that could be better. If Rodgers is not successful and lets be honest its a big, big step up for so many reasons is the next guy going to have to further change not just Rodgers signings but those that Dalglish brought in that could fit in to Rodgers system. Its a big risk appointing Rodgers, yes he is a good manager and he seems to have the right mentality but he has been under very little pressure in his career so far and has had very minimal expectations. At Liverpool he not only as the expectations but the pressure from the media that WILL come regardless of how we are performing; the task of getting into the top four is very very difficult and even with a manager of vast experience and talent it would be hard, not to mention the fact we will have very minimal investment. Rodgers lack of top level experience and the fact we will be spending very little means the chance of him succeeding are quite small, of course I want him to succeed but for me a DOF would have made sense for the reasons mentioned.
Checking how to get a video in your sig ... b4f was struggling and now that i know how i passed on the info to him
Only time will tell! My point about those players is that if you keep changing managers every couple of season then there is no way you can be successful, especially within the model we have. If you keep taking a hit on players when you make a change then essentially you will have almost zero transfer funds for the next guy. Whilst our rivals may not have a DOF either, they have champs league, money, prestige(lure of Sir Al or titles) and even location on their side and are thus better equipped to continue in the same vein. We sacked Kenny which whilst unfair seemed to be part of a bigger plan that involved building both a philosophy and a culture that meant that ultimately the plan would place the club at the fore-front rather than any one individual. Now we seem to be in much the same position where everything hinges on the managers success; now you could argue that is the same for every club but we are supposed to be building some growth model that means continuous improvement towards the end objectives. With our current structure any change in manager disrupts the entire growth model and puts you back almost at square one.
success breed success, but to trade on the carling cup alone is going to be hard... there's 4-5 guys we know for a fact have what it takes and i am wondering if anyone will be signed form that shortlist or not... and if signins (2-4) are to happen when? I'll be interesting anyway... as long as no-one is a mope that the average fan like me can spot (aka downing and adam)
I think this is idealistic thinking to be honest! I don't think there are many top players out there who care about OUR exciting project; most will go where the money, prestige and greater chance of winning trophies is. I truly admire your enthusiasm but at the same time there is both a lot of wishful thinking and rose tinted perspective going on. I take your point about the Commoli/moneyball reference, however all managers have a philosophy or a system that fits certain players, thats the reason that we run the risk of being at the same or god forbid worse position should Rodgers not succeed. Don't get me wrong I am actually not a huge fan of the DOF orgaization; in this instance with the FSG model for me anyway its the only way it actually makes any sense. Lets say Rodgers IS successful, well the plan was brilliant as was the risk we took. However if not in 2 years we risk being exactly where we are now, only we will have most of our best players older and of less worth and will then probably still have to implement the DOF structure. Admittedly we are fortunate that Rodgers and Kenny's philosophies are not too great a difference, but what about the next appointment, will they be the same? Lets be frank here, what we are doing is taking a huge gamble on ONE man, now you could understand it more if that man had previous top level experience or had built a similar project before, lets say Rafa or AVB. I am not against Rodgers at all but I do think that we have made a huge mistake that did not have to be made, again my fears may dissipate when the new appointments are made.
there are 5 really really obvious players in world football today that are BARGAINS even at 25mil. Javi martinez is one, erikkson is another and cavani is another, Higuin is available.... Hazard would have been on the list, m'villa.... in the end you can get a tiote or cayabe and look good and end up sixth for a while but to make the break through the club keeps talking about we need new alonso and torres types not with all due respect to them new lucas or skertls.
Shanks, In whatever organisation you wish to take, one person will always dominate. In football that has normally been the manager. However, when it comes to what is happening at Liverpool I truly hope that FSG are well aware that a leader needs to be controlled via checks and balances. Like you I look forward to seeing the appointments that will be made. They did try and do that with the Kenny, Camolli, Ayre partnership. This time I expect more input from our new Commercial Director and some person yet to be appointed. However, I would like to see somebody appointed to head our scouting operations.
