We all know what a bunch of muppets Fifa are but the fa are running them close. Woy is just another fa poodle and picking Kelly ahead of Ferdinand shows that leaving Rio out was nothing to do with football, what a farce. Terry is a bad apple, trouble maker and terrible role model, should not be in squad, end of! This is all going to blow up in Woy's sorry face, unless of course England actually do something at the euros
FIFA is quite clearly totally corrupt at the top end. The FA makes rules and initiatives it has no intention of doing much about. Both organisations have long since lost the confidence of the decerning fan and need to be replaced with honourable, competent and respected alternatives. Trouble is, with so much money flying around, new bodies would attract the same kind of soul-less opportunists as those that brought both FIFA and the FA into disrepute in the first place.
FIFA are corrupt to the core, the FA are just incompetent. We need a maximum age of 50 for each organisation and then old men cant accept bribes for decades and still be in charge.
did i spell 'descrimination' right if not put it down to altsymers. shame i cant spell that as well. the spell checker isnt working.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The FA, EUFA and FIFA are all prime examples of this. All three organisations are there to run the game in the best interests of the game. All three do no such thing and bring shame and disrepute to whatever values they're supposed to uphold. They are beholden to nobody but themselves and conduct themselves like a Medieval autocracy, dispensing grace and favour to those who can afford to buy their way in and riding roughshod over the rest. World Cup bids? Forget the merits of any applicant and just follow the black gold. If anybody thinks this is bitterness about England's unsuccessful bid, it isn't. Any of the other applicants would have been better than the two who were chosen for 2018 and 2022. Here's a Reuters' timeline of the shambles. http://af.reuters.com/article/nigeriaNews/idAFLDE74922P20110510 The whole organisation is riddled top to toe with corruption, back-handers and shady deals. But don't worry. They've set up an anti corruption unit. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9333340.stm That's OK then. The fox is guarding the chicken coop. EUFA? FFP rules which seem purpose-built to create a self-perpetuating elite. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/dav...ay/25/financial-fair-play-uefa-michel-platini http://notbottomline.wordpress.com/...fa-financial-fair-play-what-does-it-all-mean/ And further down: Reading that it looks like FFP sanctions will vary depending on the situation (i.e. the club). EUFA have given themselves a lot of wriggle room here. Call me cynical, but I'm guessing that when one of the chosen - Barcelona say - fall foul of the new regulations then a "warning" will be served. It'll be interesting to see if others get the same treatment. It's also hard to get where EUFA are coming from with regard to Kick It Out. The sanctions issued to clubs with proven racist behaviour, whether it be from fans or players, are risible. The Panorama documentary on Polkraine was an absolute shocker. EUFA must be more forceful and vocal on this issue. The FA? I think we've done that to death on here post Young-gate. The whole organisation's just so opaque and has no consistency in it's disciplinary procedures. Complain about the appointment of the ref? Go to x. Complain about the decisions of the ref? Go to y. Complain about the decisions of an anonymous appeals' committee? Go to z. The whole things just too compartmentalised, with nobody accountable to anybody outside the FA itself. What we, and all of football which shared our outrage, should have got as a bare minimum was: a) An explanation from the FA as to why it was a good idea to appoint Bolton fan Lee Mason to this game; b) An explanation from Mason and his assistant as to what was going through their minds when they made 4 incorrect game-changing (and possibly season-changing) decisions in the space of a few seconds; c) An explanation from the FA as to why they didn't throw the book at Ferguson the year before when he said of Mason ; d) An explanation from the FA as to why Young wasn't charged with bringing the game into disrepute; e) An explanation from the FA as to why Derry's red card wasn't overturned. All we got was bland pro forma responses written in flawless PR-ese. It might not be as obvious as the stench coming out of Zurich but corruption comes in many forms and I'll pinch my nose if I'm ever near FA headquarters. It's all about accountability. While these authorities answer to nobody but themselves, nothing will change.
It is bitterness Tel, total bitterness. People just presumed they'd get the World Cup and when they didn't, all of a sudden FIFA were the worst organisation in the World. I know I'm opening myself up to attack here but that's exactly how I recall the response to the outcome at the time.
It's up to you whether you believe me or not Swords, but I'd rather any of the other bids had succeeded, than the two that did.
Norwegian TV have just shown some of the Panorama programme about the racist attacks at stadiums in the Ukraine and Poland, and Sol Cambell advising Black people not to travel there. Sh*t, the English team shouldn't be participating there at all, our presence just shows support for racism, and when we send John Terry and not Rio Ferdinand for purely race reasons we obviously in right up to our necks in the same racist sh'*t.
What a load of tosh. This is the same bullsh*t as not getting the World Cup. Poland have every right to hold this tournament. They went through all due process and were awarded it on merit. The same with Ukraine although they do look like they're having problems. Ozzie, you're one of the best on here but you're sounding terribly jealous.
Er jealous?! I don't really care where they hold these tournaments as long as it is in a country that supports the fight against racism in sport. The panorama programme shows clearly Poland and the Ukraine at the very least turn a blind eye to racism iin football. The FA by taking Terry and excluding Rio show support for racism in football, clearly England should not hold these tournaments either.
That's totally changed where I thought you were coming from. I see your objections are purely racism related. That's an honourable stance Oz and I respect you for that. But lets wait and see how they get on with these Finals. We might be pleasantly surprised.
Who are the bigger joke FIFA or the FA? FIFA is corrupt and filled with money grabbing arseholes. The FA bow to FIFA and is filled with arseholes who are full of their own self importance. The difference is therefore between ego and greed, both wonderful qualities!
Jesus Swords, don't you ever have a day off. FIFA have been proven to be so bent that Blatter himself got his main rival stitched up and then won his 'election' promising HE would sort them out. It's not racism or jealousy, Australia had a great shout and were encouraged to spend millions on their bid by guess who, a man who receives enormous largesse from tinpot FAs all over the place and, surprise, surprise, the Aussies got nowhere. Just as we were encouraged to do just the same. We ended up with Russia (oil-rich) and Qatar (oil-rich and lethally hot). Then a few weeks after Qatar were announced Blatter says we may have to play in the winter because of the heat. You really couldn't make it up. No doubt you'll be cheering on the Celtic bid for the 2020 Euros, four mickey-mouse countries that at present have about six decent stadiums between them (three in Glasgow), and their prize will be all four get automatic qualification. Fair? Yeah right...
That's quite a litany there Sooper. When I seen your name on the thread I knew it was going to be quality and you didn't disappoint. Let me say this. Sepp Blatter is nothing short of a disgrace to the game we love. Hes arrogant, foolish and worst of all hes a crook. I've no time for him whatsoever nor have I much time for FIFA or the bunglers in the FA. My only objection is to people going potty over the fact they didn't get the World Cup. It happens. Deal with it. No Country has a divine right to host a tournament. I agree Qatar is a farce but why do you assume Russia will make a balls of it? They're a huge Country with millions of Football fans. Surely they deserve a chance? It just smacks of snobbishness to me. As for the Celtic bid. If they go ahead with it of course I would support it as no doubt you supported the England bid. But if we don't get it I won't throw my toys out the pram. (Even if it is 3 Countries and not 4) Always good to duel with you Soop ye lunatic.
This is not about us being unsuccessful in a World Cup bid. It's about the whole stinking process of World Cup bidding with it's corruption and the sheer rottenness of the organisation that sponsors it.
I'm sure the Russian bid will have so much money thrown at it that it will be a success at any cost, however, I wonder what the situation will be if the host nation lose to an African team, and the banana-throwers are in action. I'm not saying England's bid was the best either, it was certainly one of the best but other who bid were strung along by several very corrupt chancers, particularly in the final process and politics more than professionalism was the deciding factor, along with some large brown envelopes. FIFA will never change whilst the major countries are treated with contempt by the power-crazed crooks who will not be Turkeys voting for Christmas. I would expect in the not too distant future to see the G14 group of clubs that originally looked at setting up their own Super League going it alone and they will operate outside FIFA and UEFA who will find themselves with all the power and none of the best players and their 'empire' will fall apart...
I agree with what Hodgson is doing. Taking as few ****s in the squad as possible to help the harmony in the squad is worth sacrificing some talented players.
The trouble in that scenario is where do the rest of us fit in who aren't attached to the G14? All the best players will gravitate towards whatever closed shop these clubs operate. We'll see them in our colours as either promising youngsters or past-their-prime relics looking for a pension top-up. Support bases outside these 14 will dwindle away to nothing by today's levels as the behemoth gobbles up all in it's wake. I think you're probably right though. It's coming and when it does I hope fans everywhere rise up in opposition and governments finally take action against it and the legions of carpetbaggers leeching off the game.
Good post Telford re: FFP I've been saying for years that FFP is a bad thing for clubs outside the top 4 and everybody has come out with the usual "Chelsea and City are screwed" claptrap. Personally I want to see other teams break into the top 4. It's boring seeing the same teams at the top all the time.
