Heres the thing, I dont want to know the actual details of what has or is believed to have happened What good will it do, nothing. I supported Paul Duffen and Phil Brown until it got to a tipping point. On Duffen I changed after he appeared in court and disclosed his wages as £100k. It legal terms that was correct, but. To be honest I liked Phil Brown and did not want to believe that he was anything other than a manager who got carried away by his success. The pure fact is that all of the message board posting in the world changed nothing as far as these men were concerned. Posters do not and never will exert any influence on the club unless they engage directly to the board of the club or its officers, or use the press. It simply does nothing but harm to the club when posters use language like liar. You are only expressing an opinion that is based on what you have learnt, and to be honest your version is as one sided as the media version is. To state that I amonst others should not believe what we read is simply silly, the logic is that we should also not believe what you say either! Posters can take issue with what has been said in the press and I suggest that if you have evidence that can stand up, you contact the press and let them ask. The story may be a great one and we may get national coverage, but we may also lose the support of the very people that we have to thank for saving the club. You may believe that that is worth it, but I doubt that the majority will. So what the people who own the club may not be telling the truth, they may not be as saintly as some feel they should be, but unless you are prepared to replace their funding, my advice is to moderate your tone. As for me I have noted that all may not be as it seems in the club, thats all. I will publically and privately support the Allams until I know different in fact, but I take your point on board, but liars too strong far too strong without the facts being public and here is not the place.
I'm with Mel.U. I back the Allams 100% I like NB Always will. Would have been happy to keep him. To me I think the biggest disaster would be for the Allams to walk We can go on without NB. I think without the Allams we would be fooked .
I'll continue to support my club and will continue to question their motives while they continue to act like clueless ****wits.
We can all have different opinions on the Allams and I'm sure most of us understand that , just don't say ridiculous things like " If you don't like the decisions the Allams have made then go and support another club"
I don't disagree with a lot what you are saying, I initially thought Duffen seemed an okay sort of guy, hell going even further back, I thought Phil Parkinson was going to be a great manager and was sacked too early, so I have no problem supporting the club/managers/owners etc. Of course what anyone posts on here will not ultimately change what happens at the club, nor do I think any of us will be soon offering to buy the Allams out. Liar is not a strong word though, if someone isn't telling the truth then that makes them a liar, be it about their age or their funding for a football team, the context is irrelevant. Now I believe, from what I know, the Allams are lying, it's absolutely fine if people don't want to believe me, honestly, I don't care and people are big and daft enough to make their own minds up and are fully entitled to believe anything they like, thankfully we don't live in a dictatorship. But until it becomes illegal to give an opinion on a forum, then surely this is the exact place for people to air their views.
if you seriously think that inexperience and naïveté are to blame for how nB's sacking was dealt with then you are really dumber than you look. The Allan's didn't make millions by being naive or never sacking anyone. They knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted to say out loud, first before anyone else to hopefully save their image. Giving £40 million may not make much business sense but it makes perfect sense if you want to control more in th city. The Allam's may not be richer now they own the club but thy certainly are more powerful. They have more influence. they will surely find a way to turn this position into profit. I think it's disgusting how Barmby is being treated by you lot. This is how Barmby is leaving? and half of you lot are happy with it? Because someone gave us £40million we should just le them **** around and say nothing? Great! can wait to see what else they are going to do. I'm sure all you sheep won't mind whatever it is and continue to rever our saviours while the slowly turn his into Allam fc. Philantropists don't usually deal in negative actions. Yet besides injecting cash the Allams have only dealt in negativity. their actions suited many of th Barmby haters like Twf and tygertyger . They got what they wanted and we should simply move along. I think it's quite vile really. For one of our best servant's image to be tarnished by two newcomers who know nothing about football is appalling and for our fans to let it happen is even worse. ps: I can't believe some knobhead fan compared NB to ched evans, marlon king
Air your views by all means as we all have the right to do so but please do not take the view that we are all wrong for for wanting both sides of the story before we make a considered decision. You claim to know the truth and saying so without actually providing any proof only serves to rub people up the wrong way it would appear, I have been told things by a good friend involved with the club but I would not hint at them on here otherwise I would only be as guilty as the rest, at the end of the day it is a secondhand story until it comes out from the people directly involved ( called hearsay ) in a court of law as it cannot be proven either way.
Some decent points Circa, totally ruined by the insults to other users. You just made a good post look ******ed. Nice work, son.
I think its a bit sad that the way the Allams got rid of Nicky has made fans turn on each other, this is why I'm Allam-sceptical I'm afraid because there was just no need for all this bullshit, they've created the situation, if they didn't want Nicky then get rid of him in a more diplomatic way.
What pisses me off and you can tell by my tone is that this divide that is being created... the different opinions we have of the Allams is actually not a real opinion of them but merely a reflection of the opinion us fans had of Barmby as a manager. I may be cynical but I don't think we should trust them 100% and back everything they do or say. I never believed this statement of "giving back to the city that made me rich"... the allams aren't stupid. If they were merely giving back and being generous they would go back to their other projects and leave the club alone to people who know football. Clearly that's not the case and I don't think it's healthy to have one person, especially someone with so little knowledge of football, being in charge and controlling so many operations on so many levels at the club. one day we will see their true colours and believe me ,I really would rather eat some nice pie than for my scepticism to be proven right.
good post indeed. the way they dealt with it wasn't due to inexperience IMO. they just dealt with it like they normally do. They got their pride and ego involved and showed what kind of people they are. Don't give me this "they care and are passionate, they have to be to put in so much money in the club" ... if they cared they'd have realised who Barmby was and what he represented to the club and showed some care by dealing with it in a far better way. let's see who they appoint and how opinions of the allams will change then as they most certainly will again.
Im sorry but you can't call someone Naive for NOT believing an unpublished secondhand opinion - thats a stretch too far . I dont doubt they have sources , nor do i doubt their integrity and reasons for not divulging in what they themselves are told . Nor if true it would be slightly damaging to the Allams and may in the end be counterintuitive to post , BUT and for the risk of sounding like a broken record ..... We have only officially heard one side - the other side is totally free to goto the press - the only thing Barmbys side would lose is hush money but not anything he would be legally entitled to. When Barmbys side is revealed i will read it and decide THEN . . is that so naive ? (for 3 or 4 days we had a shop on Fairfax flagged up as selling fake beer - and it being typical of that type of shop) this was a fact for a few days ...... until today.
I'm not a Barmby hater you half wit. Can't you read. My objection is to intellectual dwarves like yourself who spout bile without any valid reason. I can have an argument on here with most of the contributors. We can come to a mutual understanding, or we can agree to disagree. But with an idiot like you there is no point because you are too stupid to understand the counter point. As for your hero worship of Nick Barmby I would suggest he would be embarassed by you. He was paid, and very well paid for what he did. If he now has a valid argument against the Allams or Hull City it will be dealt with through the appropriate channels. We are each of us entitled to an opinion based on the facts as we know them. That does not make us "haters", it means we think he may have got this wrong. Just because I happen to think the Allams have got the clubs interests at heart does not mean I hate Nick Barmby. Actually I wish he was still in charge. OLM has the opposite view, He thinks NB was right, and the Allams were wrong. But he doesn't hate them. Or call people who disagree with him "knobheads". He tries to hold a reasoned debate. Rant over you anal sphincter.
I fully backed the Allams but what they did to NB and AP made me bloody angry and I said what I thought about them at the time. However that is in the past now and we all need to move on. To be honest threads like this only inflame old wounds by making people choose sides all over again. The Allams have now done a lot of good and a lot of bad, but we need to start judging them on where they take the club from now.
first off I'm not sure if you've noticed why I called you a Barmby hater. Maybe you should read the title of the thread. I and others are now being called Allam haters... tit or tat really. the allams have really tarnished Barmby and his career. if he had not been appointed he would have eventually retired, fans would have applauded him and thanked him or his services. Instead he's left through the back door like a criminal, all this because of the Allams. it's a disgrace , there's no excuse for it in my book. I'm certainly not in love with barmby, there are others like him but he didn't deserve to leave this way and he certainly doesn't deserve any fans supporting those responsible for the shambles. theyve made him look like a bad man, implied he'd been lying and all this after his first err managerial job. I don't support that at all. Also I'll call anyone who compares Barmby to two sex offenders a knobhead.
