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Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2012 Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by u408379965, May 15, 2012.

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Who will reign in Monte-Carlo?

Poll closed May 23, 2012.
  1. Sebastian Vettel

    6.8%
  2. Fernando Alonso

    6.8%
  3. Lewis Hamilton

    34.1%
  4. Kimi Raikkonen

    15.9%
  5. Mark Webber

    2.3%
  6. Jenson Button

    6.8%
  7. Nico Rosberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Romain Grosjean

    6.8%
  9. Pastor Maldonado

    9.1%
  10. Sergio Perez

    2.3%
  11. Kamui Kobayashi

    2.3%
  12. Paul di Resta

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Bruno Senna

    6.8%
  14. Jean-Eric Vergne

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Other (Please state)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Bolded those I disagree with. I know he bases a lot of it on qualifying but Edd Straw really does have it in for Vergne. Senna did a good job having been screwed over by strategy. Perez was comfortably setting quick times and would have been fine had he not been hit by Maldonado. Grosjean qualified well before being taken out in a racing incident. I'd disagree with Schumacher's 9 as well but I have to admit the pole lap was very well-taken.
     
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  2. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    He was 7/10ths off his teammate in qualifying. Then again, Karthikeyan was 1.3 seconds off his team mate and got the same score. <confused>
     
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  3. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    He misses P1 every single week, it's going to have an impact. One major issue I have with Williams is that obvious disparity between him and Maldonado.

    EDIT: I'd make him a 7 at best, but I think that 6 is one of those "average = bad" scores.
     
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  4. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    But he didnt miss this FP1. Can someone tell me the **** up with his strategy? I didnt ever notice him ever be low down, he was pretty much always 10th to 15th?
     
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  5. Nazara

    Nazara Active Member

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    Vettel with 8 seems about right.
     
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  6. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone know what Karthikeyan did to warrant his 6? 1.3s off his team mate in quali, held up Rosberg (and Alonso and Hamilton and Massa) for the best part of a lap at one point, must've driven through about 12 blue flags.
     
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  7. Kyle?

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    I'm still confused as to why he's on the grid. There's better, younger pay drivers around.
     
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  8. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Apparently the HRT drive is that bad.
    Any driver with sponsor funding will probably find the sponsors are against them going to HRT, so that only really leaves personal funding or desperate funding tbh.
     
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  9. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Yeah he only had one lap in qualy thanks to the Vergne crash and messed it up. Nothing to do with practice. Sounded angry with himself.

    The stategy problem was that having got to tenth at the start, he got held up (along with half the field) by Raikkonen, while running ahead of Di Resta. They then pitted him the same time as Kimi so he stayed bottled up behind while the two Force India's gained by running longer. So 7th was possible.
     
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  10. TomTom94

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    He was pretty much flawless in the race. Could have won if overtaking were possible.
     
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  11. Kyle?

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    Thats monaco though.
     
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  12. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    He got lucky at the start, not to be held against him and he took his luck and ran with it. I thought he had no chance at the start but he made his tyres work and I really thought he was going to win at one stage.
    Pretty much a faultless race and only his quali let him down.
     
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  13. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Damn right with Schumacher (9) drawing with Nico in terms of Qualifying, and only one personal cock up in Spain, where better to get a pole than Monaco as well.
    Progress is slow and painful, but the rewards are great.
    Shut a few million mouths up.
     
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  14. Delete Me

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    Seb with 8 is about right, he jumped Massa and Lewis with stratergy making the most of a poor qualifying by his standards. He also jumped Kimi at the start before Grojsean spun at the start. By Monaco standards where qualifying is king and a good stratergy is also important, Seb did the lesser better than most on Sunday. If he got 3rd I would said an 8 still, 9 for 2nd and 10 if he did nail it on the chance of rain giving him a 17second lead, calls like that don't come round often.
     
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  15. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    If Schumacher got a nine that would suggest the marks have a quite heavy bias on quali. For that reason I think Vettel should have had 7 at best. Vergne on the other hand deserved an 8, IMO.
     
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  16. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    In Schumacher's case that's all you can really judge him, he didn't really get a chance to do anything in the race.
     
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  17. EternalMSC

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    Took the words out of my mouth.
     
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  18. Delete Me

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    Looking into the German media the clause I thought Seb had with RBR is well and truely there: http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/sebastian-vettel/geheime-ausstiegsklausel-24367676.bild.html

    Even Helmut Marko admits it's there: "2013 is fixed for us. For 2014 there is a performance-related clause in his contract - for him and for the team. "

    And even a quote from Mateschitz himself: http://www.bildblog.de/39157/ueberrundete-enthuellung/ Mateschitz confirmed for the first time the existence of an exit clause in the contract. "This scheme gives it a formality, but would hardly necessary," said the Austrian.

    "If we can not give Sebastian competitive car and he would ask why, despite a contract, let him go, I can not imagine that we would not follow this request," said Mateschitz.

    RBR better hope 2013 is smoother than this year then!
     
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  19. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    My point wasn't really about Schumacher but that while Vettel performed well during the race, marks should be deducted for his poor or rather non-performance in qualifying, that's all. As I understand it, the marks are awarded for performance over the weekend. Surely it would be fairer if any driver who sat out Q3 had a point deducted because he had failed to perform at a crucial moment in the race weekend.
     
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  20. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    Driver ratings in the magazine are the same as the article, apart from Hulkenburg who got a 9. As we've used the magazine ratings in the past, I've changed Hulkenburg's score and total.
    Edd Straw says:
    "Ricciardo: Was the lower-profile of the Toro Rosso boys at Monaco, but ultimately the faster. Unfortunately, being fast in an STR isn't enough to net points. Ran too long on his first stint, which dropped him behind Kovalainen, and retired after thumping a kerb that damaged the steering.
    Vergne: Qualifying shunt at the chicane meant we didn't see his outright pace relative to Ricciardo, but practice suggested he was not as fast. Caught the eye in the race by climbing to P7 after an early stop, but his failure to pass the two Marussias in the first stint was less impressive."
     
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