If Scotland want it let them have it, I really could not give a **** if I am honest. I heard some bloke talking the other day who said Scotland are the 3rd most financially supported country in the world relying on a neighbour (England) for funding. If the Scots feel they could sort out the short fall in what money they would need by themselves go for it.
Independence makes no financial or political sense. The whole thing comes from watching Braveheart too many times and a tendency to blame everything on "the bastard English". The SNP have absolutely no idea what would happen and contradict themselves at every turn.
Aye, and Germany would be able to bail you out aswell . While all your "oil money" goes to prop up Italy, Spain, Portugal, ROI and Greece. What an almuighty ****-up of a decision that would be
All that oil money they love to boast about while simultaneously sticking wind farms on every available area of our beautiful countryside.
Proud Scot who has never watched Braveheart, worn a kilt or enjoyed a ceilidh. I am proud of Scotland for its history, business skills, its ability to be strong in engineering and financial sectors and its people. I have always been and will always be Scottish not British and I believe every country has the right to govern itself and control its own destiny. Independence will give us the opportunity to use our land and waters and green energy and oil and, above all, our skilled people to make Scotland more economically successful, environmentally sustainable and socially just. We would no longer be forced to have nuclear weapons based on our soil or to sacrifice lives in costly and destructive wars. We would have our own voice represented in international organisations. We had a long struggle to win the right to have our present Scottish Parliament. This has enabled us to make much better choices than those made at Westminster for education, health, social care and other services but we need to control the rest of the powers on welfare and pensions, industry and employment, taxation, defence and foreign affairs, to enable us to protect our interests and create a fair and progressive society. Independence is the next step - let's take it with confidence.
Utter drivel. There is more extremism in West Yorkshire (I've sat in front of the bald bastards that slag every black or Pakistan supporter) or Oldham than there is in the whole of Scotland.
Again utter drivel. Anyway, this forum is not the place to discuss the future of Scotland, so I will leave all the discussions from now on. Anything on Joel Ward...
Much more interesting than discussing a Palace player Abnd boab, you have still not answered any of my questions. Having the authority to take decisions is one thing - how will you work with the rest of the world? Your borders? Your currency? Links with Europe? Links with rest of UK?
Read the Scottish Independence: http://www.snp.org/vision/better-scotland/independence Upon the result of the referendum, the Scottish people will decide what will happen with issues that need to be resolved, including whether the Queen will remain head of state. Border Control: Legal, Constitutional and European experts have confirmed, that Scotland is part of the territory of the European Union and the people of Scotland are citizens of the EU – there is no provision for either of these circumstances to change upon independence, and the rest of the UK will be in exactly the same position. An independent Scotland will also inherit the Common Travel Area which exists between the UK and Ireland, rendering claims of passport controls ridiculous. Currency: The SNP government at Holyrood wants Scotland to continue using the pound sterling, and to have a formal alliance with the rest of the UK, involving the backing of the Bank of England (change to the Bank of Sterling). I'm personally not in favour of this and have made my own feelings known to various Economists within the SNP.
Except the SNP don't actually know any of this, at best, because it's not up to them. Also, regarding your earlier post, you can be a proud Scot and still see that it makes far more sense to be part of the Union. Before the financial collapse Salmond was declaring to all and sundry that Scotland would be like Ireland and Iceland. He quickly changed his tune when they took the worst of the collapse.
So the SNP wants to retain the Queen as the head of state - as part of its independence it wants to become a commonwelath country? - it retains sterling but has completely open borders with the EU effectively opening up England to unchecked and unfettered migration from Europe? Suddenly, instead of the camps at Calais, there will be easy access to cross our borders from Holland and Germany What the hell has this political party been doing then? Why are these opportunities not already in place? You should not be looking to indpeendence to put these things in place and to advance Scotland or the development of green energy, you should already be doing it. If you can't do it right now with all the subsidies you get from England, I suggest that you will have no chance of doing it without those subsidies. Or let me guess, you will still demand subsidies and payoffs precisely because you can't cope by yourselves All you have here is a grass is greener argument, rather than anything concrete I'm all for indcep[endence if it is well thought through and chances are it actually works. This half-baked, half-assed set of assumptions, political mumbo-jumbo and nationalistic jerry-mandering does not provide a real argument that anyone with half a brain should be even tempted to consider. You should be forcing this Government of yours to do something concrete in proving it is workable, not just relying on political words that feed the masses with what they would like to hear
As I stated before, this is not the right forum for discussions on the future of Scotland. I can't help feel there is a little Daily Mail reader in you, but that's your choice. Scotland and the Scottish people will decide their own fate and will live with the decision they make. By the way, The UK is made up of Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England and all of these countries contribute to the UK economy, not just England.
They don't. Eligible Scottish domiciled students studying full-time in Scotland are not required to pay tuition fees if studying for a first degree or equivalent. The Scottish Government pays the fees for domiciled students, as agreed within the Scottish Government budget.
Of course that's something the SNP claimed they would continue after independence then admitted it wasn't financially feasible. Anyway, as with you, I don't come on here to talk politics so I'll leave this one alone (maybe).
Wow. I've never been so insulted, but rereading what I wrote, I can't see how you came to that conclusion. But instead of trading insults, boab, I can't help feel that you are making a decision without having asked the right questions of the people you are voting for. Something I totally concur with, but there should be the right also to the English to choose to get rid of you if we were to so wish. But you have completely ignored the paragraph where I said I am all for your indpendence if you have thought it thorugh and shown that it is workable. That has not been done. I stated you should be demanding your Government do things that show it is a good step to make, not just use fiery words that sound great but have no substance. Because that is all they have done so far. I stated you should be developing Scotland already - this is why you already have a Scottish Parliament - and you should be demanding this is done, instead of allowing those same politicians to claim that they can't do it because they are not independent. Balderdash - they should get on with doing their job and you should be demanding they are. I made that point earlier in the thread.
