Was 7-3 Grayson's fault too? You tell us to shut up about Bates (how, by pretending everything's going to be OK next season?) but blame Grayson for everything that went wrong when the root cause was Bates' refusal to back him. Grayson has 3 promotions, an unlikely survival and a 7th place finish against all the odds on his C.V., if he's really as inept as you say then he's pretty ****ing lucky.
I have no doubt that Grayson had lost it. With the players at his disposal in comparison to what other teams had, he wasn't going anywhere. But the idea that Grayson was at fault for the calibre of player we brought into the club last summer is laughable. Bates stopped us getting the players in he wanted. Yet you gloss over that. What a ridiculous statement to make. O'Dea had his best games, Bruce was injured and came back in only a couple of times, and played really well until another injury, and Connolly put in a shift and was then shafted by the manager in his sending off. What a ****er Warnock was with those comments - he made those comments solely because he knew he wanted to get rid, and would have mader the same comments if Connolly had not gone for the tackle - he would have said he had bottled it! I'm not bigging up these players - we need better, and I'm not bigging up Grayson - he needed to go, but I am calling your statements an utter load of tripe arse-licking of the new boss and the old chairman. Here's some facts: FACT: with Grayson we finished 7th in our first season back having lost our talisman goalscorer, and then two key midfielders and our captain all refused to sign new contracts and we never replaced any of them and we were 3 points off 6th when he was sacked having just had his captain sold under his nose and not being allowed to strengthen in the transfer window. FACT: under Warnock, we played worse, lost more matches than we drew or won, plummeted down the table and finished in 14th. So tell me, which manager got the best out of the players? (HINT: not the second one )
Warnock is already in a no win situation. If he gets no backing with signings, and fails to win promotion, he'll be ridiculed. If he does make some astute signings, get promotion, then it'll be the Grayson could have done that with some backing argument. Ah well, time to look forward to the Euros and hopefully there will be some sanity at Elland Road by the time they're over.
I don't think anyone will blame Warnock for anything. He's a very good manager at this level and I think he'll do the best job he can, I just don't think he'll be given the backing needed to get us promoted. I hope I'm wrong but I can only see us dropping further down the table next season.
No idea where that has come from. Warnock is already not being backed, we currently don't have a team, and we will be in for a relegation battle. But the blame is not on him, and there is no praise for Grayson here, it is all down to Bates. But you're too proud to admit that, so you make up that people said things when they didn't. It's called a straw-man argument and only employed by people who have no argument. I concur on one thing: I am looking forward to sanity at ER, when every fan stands up and sings proud "Bates Out". Even those from Westmeath.
Wonder would it be too much to expect we might have a normal season like a Reading or Southampton for once. Suppose Leeds never did normal
7th last year, 3 points outside playoffs when he was sacked this year. Much better results than warnock. Much better play to watch (more goals). You say grayson was **** tactically. Well I say you dont win at Old Trafford with a L1 side if your tactics are ****! And if Warnock was so much better, why did he slate all the players and destroy their confidence when the playoffs were still in reach?
Warnock's mellowed with age. He doesn't have the kind of clout and fanatical drive that you see in clips of him at Huddersfield and Sheff United. He's also lacking half of his preferred backroom team. The half that by all accounts was the Peter Taylor to his Brian Clough. I still respect his managerial abilities, but he's not here under optimal conditions by any means. It hurts me to say it. 12th or above next season will be a hell of an achievement.
It wouldn't surprise me if this was a mind game for Warnock to test their character make-up/confidence levels, bearing in mind the pressure they would be under in the following season(s).
Well yeah maybe it helps determine who could be right for NEXT seasons squad. But the fact remains grayson had us in touching distance of the play offs and we fell away under warnock
I keep hearing about how Grayson got us withing touching distance of the playoffs, but I remember watching most of the games from between my fingers, just like I used to watch 'Lost In Space' as a kid. Most games were terrifying, boring, predictable, defensively & tactically inept, and bloody lucky. I never, ever felt confident of a victory watching them this season, and I truly believe that a significant number of games were won on luck rather than skill or resolve. Am I the only person who didn't get the rose tinted glasses free with last years' season ticket? Or do I just expect too much?
'Touching distance from the playoffs' refers to points not performances. hence 3 points is within reach. Besides it got much worse performance wise under warnock. Took goals away from a team which needed to score plenty to get results
With Grayson, there were as many good performances where we lost points as there were bad performances where we won them. So overall, I think it balanced itself out. He still deserves an awful lot of credit with the tapir **** he was working with.
On reflection, I can't disagree with this. As an orthodox dour Scottish bastard, I only remember the bad times. Grayson's major failing for me is that he didn't sort out the defence. He had to go. McAllister failed the same test & he had to go too. For once, some consistency at ER!
Not allowing players to walk for free isn't an advantage when the fee doesn't go into the team so stick a ****ing sock in it will you?
Many disappointments and embarrassments at Leeds United the last few years. There is only one constant - Ken Bates and his regime. How so many still fail to recognize this is simply beyond me. Simon Grayson had numerous successes with us and some failures. One can only wonder what he might have achieved with the backing that was missing, so obviously. He was almost certainly constrained by an overly restrictive wage cap and accordingly signed quantity, rather than quality, hoping some would turn out well. His gamble failed but I believed he did as good a job as any under very restrictive conditions. If for no other reason, I wish him great success to prove those doubting fans and the Bates regime wrong in the future. Finally, this current ownership is so dire, its reallly hard to imagine any other being worse.
You're a ****ing idiot and I'm bored of hearing this drivel. Your posts are every time a case of "the problem was the manager, was only the manager and is no longer the manager so we don't have any problems any more. How could anybody else possibly be at fault?". ****ing bored of it now. Either accept things are wrong at Elland Road and that it's impossible to polish a turd, and even the bag of glitter Warnock's been allowed won't stop the room smell of ****, or **** off. I'd have more success talking to a brick wall.
Some continue to be enamoured with their rose-tinted glasses. I think they must have ahd them soldered to the top of their ears. Maybe their fingers have been stuck inside their ears too, and all they can say is "I can't hear you, la, la, la"
It constantly amazes me that some people can't see the one common element in the last 7 years. You can fool some of the LUFC fans all of the time, and all of the LUFC fans some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the LUFC fans all of the time. (You know, that has a ring to it, I'll use it again. You could apply it to other things, maybe. Like politics).
