Wouldn't read to much in to it, AVB and Martinez have been swapping between 1st and 2nd as the bookies favourite almost daily for the last week
The Liverpool Echo reckon Louis van Gaal wants the managers job not the Director of football position he's reportedly been offered,if he's persuasive enough with FSG he might just get it.
Mate, They basically saved the club, got debt repayments down from £18m to £3m, written off a £35m stadium plan brought on by the cowboys and brought in players to the tune of £120m, not net but they still spent it rather than pocketing it if you get me. They've also sacked two under-performing managers in their eyes, one of which was against the wishes of many, mine included. And the other was for the majority of the fans. The first example shows that they are prepared to risk the wrath, but for the good of the club in their eyes. KK should've been given more time in my opinion, we played some good stuff. But, they made the decision, and now I will support whoever comes in but my first stand out choice would be RAFA!!!!!!!
^ THIS ^ So much conservatism on this forum- people knee jerking at everything. things need time, lets just see where we are in a year (even by September 1st) and then we can see what effect this all will have. I personally would have maybe kept Kenny for another year but the owners' ambition is clear to see. We're in a period of change, let's just be happy where we are- the owners can now restructure the club under their own terms and look to develop the squad. this is an immeasurably better position than we were with H&G
****in 'ell smerch, you always pop up once every 3 months! Good to see you again. With all this talk about AVB and Martinez etc I'm starting to think that maybe Rafa would be the only decent choice we have left. Or as someone else pointed out...LVG could get the manager job instead.
I thought they were looking for someone younger than Van Gaal for the actual manager's position- or is that just rumour as well?
I think "knee jerk" is not an accurate description. Like with the Kenny issue there are those at each extreme. i.e. there are those on here that are acting almost like FSGs PR consultants, praising every statement no matter how vague & looking at every decision or even indecision in the most positive light & unquestioning trust. This is not a criticism of that approach, it's an approach that will cause less grey hairs while awaiting some very important decisions that are let's face it essentially out of our hands. On the other end of the scale are those that see fallacy & incompetence in every decision or indecision by FSG. They meet the silence with suspicion & Distrust. They do not believe the owners are here for anything other than their own pockets & their reliance on secret expert advisors is a cover for either contemptible or at least incompetent actions. Again, I would not criticise these people after going through our previous owners reign. Me? I'm like most in the middle, I believe the owners Do not have evil intent and link ethical practice with business success. I also believe they had the right if they saw things not working to make the changes they believe necessary to succeed even if I didn't agree with them. But as I've said before NO owner after H&G gets my absolute trust. They earn it. And I'm sorry simply buying the business isn't enough (rangers fans made this mistake when they thought they'd got a saviour). I believe that type of adoration & faith without question or pressure from us the customer tempts the darker side of a business person out. As I've already stated to those declaring generally that silence is the Liverpool way., yes it is but FSG are asking us to give up a lot of tradition for a modern model of success. They don't get to pick & choose traditions that are only advantageous to them. If the customer doesn't give their opinions (and yes there are many different ones) how will the owners know what we want & expect as customers and so how will we ever get it? For example I don't want to see Rafa back so don't really care of FSG talk to him but many many do. If these people sat back & said nothing would it necessarily happen? (still might not!) And the owners IMO encouraged this questioning of their actions when they started talking about "advisors" who are anonymous to the fans. Translated eople other than FSG are dictating or at least heavily influencing the future of our club. We have the right to ask who they are & what makes them worth listening to more than us the average fan/customer. Concerning the stadium: I've already stated in the relevant thread my confusion at what I see as actions: throwing away 35m worth of plans that HAD planning permission and yet saying they were still looking at the other two options while saying one wasn't economically viable... So no hysterical "knee jerk" here nor a knee jerk to a knee jerk so to speak. Just a declaration that trust must be earned not demanded & an expression of my concerns. So my reading between the lines is this: There will never be a new stadium with these owners. They will either find a way to refurbish or do nothing. It was always going to be Martinez. He's young & pliable enough to fit into the new structure, big names aren't. The rest is a stupid and rather cowardly attempt to stop us complaining. And over both issues that's my main gripe. Just come out with courage in your convictions & take the complaints (they're happening anyway) you tried it our way & you believe it wasn't successful enough so get on with it, don't dress it up just do it. I am almost certainly wrong of course!
I tend to agree. I think the process FSG are going through is complete overhaul to bring the club kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Much as I love KK, there was always an element of the club looking backwards rather than forwards in his appointment, which I think the Yanks colluded with against their better judgement. These guys are corporate 'players' who happen to operate in the 'sports' space. There is very little emotion attached to the work they do. One can only assume that their view of Liverpool at the time of purchase was that he was an undervalued asset with some latent potential, based upon the trophy cabinet from 40 years ago. It's business. So to me Martinez fits the bill (for FSG) perfectly. He will understand corporate strategy (because he's intelligent), he works well with owners (cf. Wigan) and coupled with that he does have an interest in playing half-decent football - and he looks the part in a suit and tie. Sorry if this sounds a little jaded and cynical, but it's the lack of focus on the bigger game of corporate (global) commercial exploitation that has held this club back for the past 20+ years. My sense is that we should be grateful for the fact that someone with the commercial cajones of Henry bothered with us in the first place. The hiring of a new manager in this brave new world is but a pawn in a far wider game of chess. We need to get used to this fact and get with the programme - or get left behind. YNWA. GKRK.
Still think we will hear of a new DoF before the manager. Just can't see a Van Gaal and Rafa agreeing on what the strategies should be!
It seems to me they've already got LVG sorted and he's had input into the manager's position. Just a guess.
Who would you like to see as our manager next season out of all the ones available or have been linked with?
I would jump for joy, great combination I think that would be, loads of experience and both have done it and won it at many levels.
Quite a mouth watering prospect but I just don't see Rijkaard taking over. I know FSG are playing their cards close to their chest but nothing suggests that Rijkaard is being considered. Still a shame about AVB though. I think he is tactically spot on and likes to play attractive football, as well as having a good education (good relationships with Bobby Robson and Mourinho). It will be very interesting to see how Martinez does, and I am excited at the prospect however only if it's working alongside an experienced, high profile man like Van Gaal or Txiki. We need high profile names to protect our brand, especially as we haven't got CL.
Txiki and martinez could be good, spanish contingent and all that. Man if we got Van Gaal and Rijkaard, that would certainly help pull players in, if not to meet some greats in the game! Hold on, gotta go grab a towel.....
