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  1. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Ex-Plymouth goalkeeper Luke McCormick is to join Swindon Town on a trial basis when he is released from prison.

    The 28-year-old was sentenced to seven years and four months in jail in October 2008 for killing two children in a crash.

    McCormick will be released in June after serving three and a half years and is set to join Swindon on their pre-season tour of Italy.

    He has been training with the club since January while on day release.

    McCormick admitted causing the deaths of Arron Peak, 10, and Ben Peak, eight, and driving with excess alcohol.
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    The brothers, from Greater Manchester, died in the crash on the M6 in Staffordshire on 7 June 2008.

    McCormick made 157 appearances for Argyle but the club terminated his contract by mutual consent after he had been charged and bailed.

    Commenting on Swindon's decision to take on the keeper, chairman Jeremy Wray told BBC Wiltshire: "Our sympathy is with the family of the victims - that will never change. There's been a complete tragedy and lives have been destroyed.

    "This guy has done his time in prison. He wants to come back and give something back to society.

    "The best way we can do that is to rehabilitate, and that's the role Swindon can play. It's a benefit we've thought about in the long term.

    "It's going to be a big debate and I'm not frightened of it.

    "Luke might have done three and a half years but he undoubtedly wakes up with a life sentence every day and thinking about what he's done.

    "Does he try and do something positive with the rest of his life and give something back? If one life is saved in the future because of that, then it's the right action."
     
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  2. Billy Death

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    I will keep mine to myself Commo. Trying to stay calm.
     
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  3. connor wigham

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    should not be playing football again IMO.... he fault for being stupid enough to drink and then drive car think about what the parents think
     
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  4. Nads

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    Funny one Comm.

    He hasn't deliberately harmed the lads, but then he was drunk, so is responsible.

    He surely shouldn't be stopped from earning a living though, and although he can never make up for the deaths, if he can help with the community work etc, he will be giving something back.

    As the Swindon chairman says, he has to live with it, for the rest of his days, that's punishment enough.
     
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  5. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    Drink driving is something I deplore, I simple don't drink if anywhere near a car, however.

    2 children killed because of his actions, bad.

    1 mistake made cost 2 lives, his freedom and possible career, we all have made mistakes.

    For me its fine to shout unjust, he should never play again, he is a bad man but the truth is he was punished under the law, not long enough, blame the law not him.

    He has served his time, not long enough, see above.

    Why should he not be allowed to continue with his trade, if he was an electrician he would be able to.

    I have a feeling, just a feeling, that the deaths of those two kids will never leave him.
     
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  6. Hairyhaggis

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    If it were me, I can guarantee you they wouldn't leave me. Hence why I do not drink and drive.
     
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  7. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    If I killed a child, well probably anyone, it would haunt me. I am in the zero limit camp because I don't get how we can all differ with drink but have a standard limit.

    Someone I know did time, just out for killing his girlfriend drink driving. She lived a few miles away but over for dinner and planned to stay the night. Drinks flowed but after midnight a argument started, I'm going home she said, how will you get there he said, I will walk she said, no you wont he said, come on, I will take you. In his head he was doing her a good turn, she never made it, hit a tree. She left 2 young children, he pleaded guilty without an argument and got 4 years.

    She is dead
    Kids have no mother
    He is a free but broken man

    All losers and all because they had a row, there but for the grace of god.

    If it happened to me now I would call a taxi or insist she stayed and I would sleep on the sofa, easy in hindsight.
     
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  8. mitchthemakem

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    i don,t drink and drive not even pint top up.

    I put myself in the parents shoes and i would be devastated he has not served his full term i now they get early release for good behaviour but he has only served half his sentance.

    the lad will have his own guilty feelings or at least i would hope he has.

    No winners in these cases there never are

    But once agin i have no sympathy for drink drivers and the punishment is not enough for those caught without causing an accident i would say anyone caught should at least serve 3 years without a licence caught again banned for 10 years or life.
     
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  9. marcusblackcat

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    Killing when drink driving to me is murder - happened to my cousin - if you get behind the wheel of a car and are intoxicated then you are capable of killing someone - he should rot in jail for the rest of his life - doing the time doesn't really cut it when he killed 2 people who had a massive life ahead of them

    Ny the way - for the record I will have one pint if I'm driving but there must be at least 4 hours between me finishing that pint and getting behind the wheel of my car again - if I have a pint I will not drive for at least 4 hours - i.e. I work as a singer in pubs and clubs and often arrive at 6:30 - may have one pint then and no more on the night as I know it'll be nearly midnight before I am driving again
     
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  10. Steven Royston O'Neill

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    All fair and good but all complaints about the system and does not answer the question, he has served his time regardless of what we may think about the time served so should he be allowed a life, if no what should happen to him, within the law how it stands.
     
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  11. Commachio

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    Really not an easy one this, due to personal beliefs..

    It's a sad story, but he has served his time in the eyes of the law.....and now has to serve a life sentence of guilt...

    Doesn't make it any easier on the family of the kids, who i reckon will be fuming with the law, and they are the one's to feel sorry for...
     
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  12. Hairyhaggis

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    Over here we have the Responsible Service of Alcohol everyone who works in a bar has to have. Rule is you can drink 2 standard drinks (30ml of spirits, 325ml of beer) in the first hour, and 1 every hour after and still be able to drive. But yeah, I think even this is too much.
     
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  13. Steven Royston O'Neill

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    I think drink driving is a low problem TBH, I know its major if it hits you. The bigger problem id those people who drive around with a phone stuck to their ear.
     
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    Only in football could you walk into another job after committing such a crime, honestly cant think how the family feels, maybe they have forgave him we just dont know.

    Personally my head says he served his time etc but my heart says he shouldnt be out of jail.
     
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  15. Hairyhaggis

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    I disagree. The problem is Asians. And inb4 racist. They cannot drive. This is a fact. I was driving down a street the other day in a 70kph zone, and in the car in front was 2 asian lassies doing 10kph (yes, 10kph), who then stopped in the middle of the road and got out a map. I even looked around for the camera's because I couldn't believe it.
     
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  16. Commachio

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    Welcome to my world mate...................
     
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  17. Hieronymus

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    No easy answer to this one and certainly no winners.

    Who hasn't done something stupid, thoughtless and dangerous at times, especially after a drink? No excuse I know, but as Syd says, I bet many of us, if we are being honest, are thinking 'there but for the grace of God go I'. Fortunately most of us get away with our errors of judgement but this lad didn't and a 7 year sentence, with parole after 3 and a half years, is what the authorities have deemed should be his punishment.

    Swindon's chairman feels he should have the chance to try to redeem himself (although nothing can make up for the lives lost of course) but if he goes on to work with an anti-drink driving campaign and the FA to drum the message home in schools and football academies around the country, then maybe some good can come out of a tragic situation. Personally, I would also like to see him voluntarily donate a percentage of his salary for the rest of his life, to a charity of the parents choice. I would also hope he has the guts to ask to go and see the family, to apologise and beg for forgiveness, and maybe they will then be able to move on too.
     
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    Try living in Marbella mate...

    Parking on roundabouts, stop dead in the street for a chat blocking all traffic, indicators on on motorways, absolutely no awareness of roundabout markings, they are appaling drivers.

    The Policia don't care, they spend their time setting up roadblocks and stopping ex-pats and fining you €300 for anything they find (€500 last week, on the spot, as my licence was foolishly left at home)

    They literally march you to a cashpoint, if you can't pay, and you are arrested (not always, but generally, no NIE/Passport, you are ****ed), and you go into a prison with rapists and murderers till the following morning, if it's a Friday, you're in till Monday.

    Insanity.

    Sidenote, we are playing the Policia at 5-a-side tonight, and I WILL get my €500 worth (Kenny the Dutchman is looking for €2400 worth...)
     
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  19. Hairyhaggis

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    Haha, sounds like Bali mate, they look for the white fellas on scooters and pull you over even if you have done nothing wrong. You can't pay you go to jail. Over there you have to carry 2 wallets. One for bribes (not much money in it) and your normal one. Give them everything from your bribe one, and they can't say much cos its all a scam. If you dont pay, they take your license, but you just go down the post office and buy another for like $10.

    And in Vietnam they are ****in insane. Some of the **** ive seen them squeeze onto a standard scooter is unbelievable. The Chinese in Sydney are ****ed aswell.

    And €2400...? what did he do, write off a cop car while doing burnouts or something?
     
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  20. Nads

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    Ha, not mate, he's just a repeat offender, wasn't a single hit.

    I've had the lowest hits on the team, all of the other lads have been hammered, so we're WELL up for tonight! I'll hoy some pics up tomorrow, if I can be arsed!
     
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