Have Celtic actually said they will vote for a newco to be punished? I was sure all they have said is they will do what is in the best interests of Celtic.
they havent came out and said that they will vote for a newco to be punished but lets face facts. There is no way they are going vote to let them in sanction free
im not so sure - i think they would like a points deduction but i doubt they will want anything too heavy like it or not lawell sees rangers as integral to celtic's success in the spl and beyond we are a package
Yeah but crippling rangers can guarantee us the league and a crack at the champions league qualifiers. So kicking them out to the 3rd division might be more beneficial to celtic than letting a debt free rangers remain in the spl.
i dont want to always win the league at a canter - frankly its boring id be fine with it if i thought utd or aberdeen or hearts would step up and give us a challange but they wouldnt and without a strong domestic challenge we will never do anything in europe punishment should fit the crime - it should not be vindictive imo, nor should it be set just to appease fans the law is reason reason free from passion some old goat with a big beard once said
Liquidating and starting again should mean then you start in div 3. I understand it will be boring for a while but ultimately scottish football will restructure itself into a league that is more competitive with more teams.
RTC has broken cover after 2 weeks of silence to ask an interesting question. What exactly is going on at the SFA/SPL with regards to the Rangers "Dual Contracts" investigation? Are the football authorities marking time in the hope that this will somehow just "go away"? Is Doncaster desperately keen to see a Newco Rangers, because he thinks that this Rangers version 2.0 cannot be held accountable for the sins of the father, and the dual contracts/EBT charges can be conveniently swept under the carpet as if they never happened? That would be very convenient for Doncaster indeed, he can do his Pontious Pilate impersonation and wash his hands of this scandal even if some (me for one) would view him as nothing more than a sellout. I can understand his position - even if I don't personally agree with what he seems to be planning. He (amongst others) seems to want to allow "New Improved" Rangers straight entry into the SPL next season, and not only will they face limited "new" sanctions, they will be allowed to go unpunished for the EBT/Dual Contract cheating (along with the toxic debt that they leave in their wake) as New Rangers have been scrubbed clean, they will be whiter than White and not responsible for any shennanigans carried out in the past by Old Rangers. Maybe some people think this is all perfectly reasonable I doubt the vast majority of Fans will agree. They will see what I see. It is either a continuation of the Old Rangers or a new footballing entity entirely. It's one or the other so you cannot have your cake and eat it as Doncaster seems to be suggesting, if it's a New Rangers then the history is scrubbed, if it's old Rangers in a new for they must be punished. --------------------------------- Doncaster Dooms SPL 22/05/2012 Neil Doncaster’s intelligence-insulting interview on SSN this week places another few pieces of the jigsaw together as to how plans are shaping up to deal with Rangers’ corporate failure. Other blogs have already dissected this interview very well, so I will not dwell on the details. Instead, we will look at what is shaping up as the plan “to fix” Scottish football. As we have discussed for several weeks, Doncaster wants Rangers in the SPL regardless of how much they owe HMRC or other football clubs. He wants them in the SPL regardless of whether cheating on a massive scale has occurred or not. Doncaster’s attempt to bluster his way to getting acceptance for the idea that a CVA and a newco-Rangers are the same thing is just stunning in its gall. Doncaster is a key player in this dance. Therefore, I assume that he has been made aware of the Duff & Phelps plan. His interview this week was simply a crude attempt to blunt the impact of any accusations that might be contained within the BBC Scotland documentary to be aired on Wednesday night at 8pm. Either through an incredible degree of cynicism or playing the role of useful idiot, Doncaster’s cheer leading is key to a plan that will do more to destroy the Scottish Premier League than any loss of income from the temporary absence of a Rangers-type club from could ever do. One must assume that Doncaster is actively delaying the report on the dual contracts. It would take less than twenty minutes for any lawyer to see that there is a prima facie case against Rangers FC. Demonstrating a prima facie does not require looking at every piece of evidence or even getting close to providing proof. It is literally a check that “on the face of it” there appears to be something behind the allegations. Doncaster denies that there is a “go slow” instruction on this investigation. In the fullness of time, it will become clear that something is amiss. The law firm of Harper McLeod have been hired by the SPL to investigate if a prima facie case against Rangers on the dual contract issue exists. Let me help Harper McLeod out a little. On 28 July 2001, Rangers played Aberdeen at Pittodrie. Rangers won the game 3-0. Making his debut that day was a German who would later go on to become General Manager of Bayern Munich, Christian Nerlinger. He also scored one of the goals. That game against Aberdeen marked the first game where the EBT scheme that is the subject of the ‘Big Tax Case’ interfered with the Scottish Premier League. Harper McLeod should take a look at Nerlinger’s contract filed with the SFA. Next they should obtain Nerlinger’s contract documents and payment history from Rangers FC (IA)’s administrators. Comparing the contract to the payment history alone will expose payments of well in excess of £1 million that are not listed on his SFA-registered contract. There is your prima facie case, Mr. Doncaster. There is no need to investigate any further to demonstrate that Rangers have a case to answer and that an independent inquiry is required. It is clear that Doncaster just does not care about the rules. He just wants a Rangers in the SPL next season. Doncaster’s “CVA / newco- what’s the difference?” routine presumably betrays some insider knowledge of how this pantomime will play out. My thoughts on how this will most likely end are laid out below. Talk of a CVA is just window dressing to appease the less realistic element of the Rangers support. Whyte can pledge his shares in the club for £2 safe in the knowledge that a CVA is not going to happen. (Strictly speaking, Whyte himself can always scupper a CVA). We are heading for a newco of some description. The key point, Mr. Doncaster, is whether Craig Whyte’s floating charge is still meaningful. If it is (and people with more advanced legal training than me cannot find a consensus on whether it will be) Whyte will be content to let this drama unfold. His friends at Duff & Phelps will continue to potter about while reality continues to sink in with the wider Rangers support. In the end, Whyte will play his trump card and call in a receiver who will sell all of Rangers’ assets to a newco for a sum that will go entirely to Whyte- stuffing all of the other creditors. A plan to achieve this outcome would explain a lot of Duff & Phelps’ actions over the last few months. If Whyte’s floating charge does not support a legitimate debt (and I expect some court drama over this point), then Rangers’ assets will be sold to a newco and the proceeds divided among the creditors. They will be lucky to receive 5p/£ even in this path, but they would not get more in a CVA anyway. A newco of some form is inevitable. The liquidation of The Rangers Football Club plc is also inevitable. The debate is not over whether the newco will enter Scottish football, but over how. If Doncaster’s dream comes true, and newco-RFC just start playing in the SPL next season without any penalties, then Scottish football is dead. There are many other possible formulae for a fair outcome. Many Rangers fans want the newco to start in SFL division 3 and play their way to their place in the SPL like anyone else. It is also possible to have the newco pay an “entry fee” over a number of years that would serve as a deterrent to others. It would also serve, to a degree, as compensation for the carnage wrought on the Scottish game by Rangers during the years of Murray’s excesses. There are lots of ways to arrive at a fair outcome. However, the money-men who might own newco-Rangers will not want that and Neil Doncaster has their interests at heart. Sport? Fans? Mere irritations.
You may live to regret those words ... how can you trust anything or anyone in this ongoing debacle. When it is finally resolved then you might, just might, be able to find a trustworthy individual but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Interesting that Mr Johnston seems to be bleating that he and others did their best to stop the Craig White takeover - in knowing full well and seemingly having proof, that White was not fit to own the club and with all the jumping up and down and screaming and shouting, which he claims is what they did , however, did he and those others inform the SFA and SPL authorities of everything they knew?
[video=youtube;Ae6YZEksFcI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ae6YZEksFcI[/video] Looks like the **** has hit the fan. Add duff and phelps to the shyster's list. If they get removed now then it will be straight to a CVL as there is no time left.
Seen the list earlier on Celtic quick news , amazing names there . Novo the wee cheat . Celtic quick news has a special page tonight , bbc documentary live updates !!!
Graeme Souness received £30k from Rangers in an EBT in 2001, 10 years after leaving the club and while he was manager of Blackburn Rovers. Blackburn bought Turkish international, Tugay Kerimoğlu, from Rangers in 2001. Duff and Phelps partner, David Grier, attended meetings where Craig Whyte’s use of Ticketus to repay Rangers bank debt was discussed before the transaction took place. Duff and Phelps are now suing Whyte and his solicitors for this transaction. The BBC have seen email evidence that Grier instructed the invoice to Ticketus. Roger Isaacs from the Institute of Chartered Accountants said, “given that [Grier] was a partner of Duff & Phelps, I’m surprised that that involvement wasn’t firstly disclosed, and secondly doesn’t give rise to the sort of conflict of interest that I would have expected to have precluded Duff & Phelps from accepting the appointment as administrators.” Oh dear.
The Duff and Duffer involvement stinks to high heaven - then again didn't we all strongly suspect that Craig White's rush to have them appointed as Administrators signalled that more skulduggery was afoot? Hasn't Leggo been giving them stick for some time ... he'll be claiming kudos for his sterling work in unmasking them.
Yeah but it's bloody hard to get an admisitrator removed as there seen like the police, their word is god. The only way to remove them is if their bent, much like the police.
Ah well, it's all grist to the mill ... just shows that the rotten set-up that is Rangers was bound to attract more scumbags - just like the proverbial flies around s...te.
anyone listening to the BBC? Apparently the SPL have enough evidence to nail the huns on the dual contracts but have decided to hang fire just now
