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Will the corruption ever end?

Discussion in 'Celtic' started by eric cartman, May 21, 2012.

  1. eric cartman

    eric cartman Well-Known Member

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    Oh, you'll die its just your ghost is coming back to haunt us all.
     
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  2. Super hooper

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    Neil Doncaster is a man with very little back bone. When he came to Scotland his intentions may have been good and honest. Rangers
    been Rangers "double contracted him" and so he became like so many others who have held positions of power in Scottish football Rangers
    lap dog. Poor Neil knew he was going down the wrong road but things became twice as bad when the First Minister warned him that whatever
    happens Rangers must remain strong. Scotland needs a strong Rangers no matter what. How can poor Neil do his job fairly, his debt to
    Rangers and the threat from the First Minister has Neil all stitched up.
     
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  3. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Mr Doncaster is a former solicitor. He moved from the law into running sporting organisations, including a stint as Chief Executive at Norwich City (where he also predicted doom and disaster, earning the nickname, I am told, of “Doomcaster” from the Canaries’ fans). You can read about that here.

    He therefore will be well aware of the law on these matters and his football experience will have informed him as to the strength of opinions amongst football supporters. If he finds himself baffled by the distinction between a CVA and a newco, then it would appear that he is either being disingenuous or has forgotten what he learned in Insolvency Law for Beginners.

    I will try to put it simply.

    In a CVA, creditors of a company receive payment, by agreement of a sufficient majority, to satisfy their debts, even though these are not paid in full. The primary purpose of administration is to rescue a company as a going concern, in the interests of the creditors. If that cannot be achieved, the second purpose of administration is to get a better result for creditors by administration than by liquidation.

    The second purpose is what a “newco” idea seeks to fulfil. The assets of the company are transferred to a new entity, or at least an entity which did not own the assets previously.

    In the case of a successful CVA, the company continues. Therefore the “Rangers” formerly owned by Mr Marlborough’s companies passed on to Murray International and thence to Wavetower (Mr Whyte’s company) and would, in turn, go to Mr Green’s consortium. The existing football team continues, and would retain its history, whilst having to answer fore the alleged misdeeds of the former owners.

    There will not be a successful CVA. Mr Green’s colleague, Mr McDonald, committed a PR own goal by talking about the warchest stuffed with money which would be given to the manager to buy new players once a CVA takes place. Whilst that might have gone down well with the fans, as I am sure it was meant to, it can only have hardened the view of HMRC to reject any CVA.

    I won’t analyse why in detail just now but will simply say that the funds talked about would mean that HMRC would only receive a fraction of the £13 million unpaid by Mr Whyte since he took over and this being money Rangers has since spent on things other than tax. HMRC would get nothing from the Big Tax Case, nor indeed from the Wee Tax Case. Whilst a Green Rangers would not be a phoenix in strict legal terms, the insistence that this is in fact the same old ‘Gers would render it disastrous for HMRC to be seen to accede to a CVA at the levels of funding being talked about.

    Maybe Mr Green would like to do a CVA but, as with Bill Miller’s plan, the only one that makes business sense is to buy the assets and leave the debt behind.

    Therefore we come to a newco. The clue is in the title. This is not just a change of ownership, as in Marlborough to Murray to Whyte. This is a new entity. The SPL Rules require a Club to own its own ground, or have it owned by a related company, or otherwise have a binding legal right to play there.

    At present, we think, Rangers Football Club PLC (in administration) owns Ibrox. That therefore by SPL Rules, is the Football Club. If the assets of that Club are sold to an unrelated company “Green Rangers Ltd” then that company will become the owner of “the team”. The SPL Rules make clear that the Company = the Football Club. Ergo newco is not “Rangers” as presently existing. It could be a new “Rangers” but would not, either in law or in the SPL Rules, be a continuation of the present club.

    To recap, a distinction is being drawn because there is in fact a huge difference between a CVA and a newco. In any event, once a newco acquires the assets, the oldco will be wound up or liquidated. It will cease to be.

    http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.c...as-newco-accepts-oldcos-punishment/#more-1186
     
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  4. MrT

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    Superpoops - are you seriously saying that Rangers 'pay' Neil Doncaster?

    When did Salmond warn him?

    Do you have proof or are you talking ****e?
     
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  5. The Raging Oxter

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    Otto Flayshow Well-Known Member

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    And that is?
     
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  8. eric cartman

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    Liquidation = game over, no more credits

    CVA = found 20p on the floor, 1 continue.

    No doubt rangers have got some cheat up there sleeve (up,down,left,right A+start)
     
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    :emoticon-0148-yes: <cracker>
     
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  10. Otto Flayshow

    Otto Flayshow Well-Known Member

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    CVA and newco routes both deliver roughly the same pence in the pound deal to creditors.
     
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    My local Pizzeria delivers in roughly the same amount of time as the local Chinese restaurant.
     
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  12. eric cartman

    eric cartman Well-Known Member

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    liquidation, the secured creditors get paid first if any money is left after that it is shared amongst the unsecured creditors.
     
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    Rustie bugmuncher Well-Known Member

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    so celtic, st johnstone, hibs are all against a newco with no sanctions. will be interesting to see if anyone else jumps on board. i would be surprised if aberdeen didnt vote against a newco with no snactions. not sure about the rest of them

    i think that almost certainly there will be a rangers team of some description in the spl next season. with or without sanctions they are in for some extremely lean years
     
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  17. harryhood67

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    Tonights tv program could finish them off , teams sitting on the fence at the moment will surely vote against them after more crucial evidence showing what they've been up to .
     
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    eric cartman Well-Known Member

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    Did you get away with a community service order yesterday?
     
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  20. Rustie bugmuncher

    Rustie bugmuncher Well-Known Member

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    when johnston raised his concerns i seem to remember rangers fans saying it was only because he was ousted by whyte and pure sour grapes. i think the old board probably did all they could, murray was intent on getting rid of them and whyte was the first person who agreed to buy it.

    if greig and mclellan (sp?) had came out too then maybe the rangers fans would have asked a few more questions. It was also all too easy to ignore everything that was said about whyte by celtic fans and bbc film makers
     
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