We should use a portion of the Carroll money on Barton

As the title says I can't imagine too many people complaining if we used a portion of the Carroll money to top up Bartons proposed contract to an acceptable level. if we just extend his current deal on his present wage i reckon he'd sign up. you can't take arguably your best player to one side and tell him to take a pay cut when he's playing out of his skin.

its one thing having a wage structure and in all honesty i'm all for it but if your making profit on transfers that cash should also be fair game for improving consistent performers contracts. I would make it all performance related if it was up to me but alas it isn't.

 

I would not complain if we did this at all
Barton would sign it right now if we offered him this, cant see it happening though

 

Some of the £35m will go towards the cost of contract renewals (signing on fees, agent fees, bonuses) - anybody that thinks £35m will soley be used on transfer fees would be very naive. Ashley says it will be re-invested in the club and that covers more than transfer fees alone.

I agree with you, I'd be all for giving Barton a 4 year contract on a similar wage (maybe around £55k p/w), that'll take him until he's 32. He's really sorted himself out off the pitch and is an inspirational figure on it. Sign him up. The sooner the better.

 

Barton's been pulling all the strings and we should do whatever it takes to keep him.

 

I don't agree. This sets a precident. What happens when the next guy's contract is up and wants a bigger deal? Or someone wants a deal to match Barton's or they're going to leave/put transfer request in? What happens if it's Tiote or Jose or Nolan? You going to let them walk away? Wage structure needs to be put in place and stuck to.

 

I agree with this. I don't see how £50k per week isn't an "acceptable level" anyway. I think we should offer him a longer deal than the two years being bandied about though, the only incentive for taking a pay cut would be job security, if we're not prepared to give him either he's not going to sign it. Also, I think his deal is up at the end of next season, so he might as well run that down before agreeing to diminished terms.

 

Thing is though he's not asking for a better deal as far we know he's only kicking up a fuss because we're asking him to take a pay cut. fact stands that its not exactly an incentive for your top players to give their all if theres no incentive. "be our best player and get your wages slashed..."

I agree with bringing players in and fitting them into an agreed pay structure but your not gonna keep your best players if we're not being competetive in the wages department. if someone is playing well enough for an improved contract our league position and success should be reflective of this so we should pay the going rate for our top tier players.

 

The wage structure should be adhered to and Joey must also take into account that we've stood by him during his turbulent time at Newcastle.

He's missed a large chunk of games through long term injuries and more saliently; prison.

Perhaps a compromise of a 3.5 year deal at the maximum of the wage cap allows.

 

taking into account his bad spell i still don't think just keeping him on his current salary which we are able to afford at present would be bad business in his current form. to bring someone in of his calibre would take a very sizable portion of our transfer budget for the sake of just keeping things 'as is' is effectively. just offer him 4 yrs on the same deal he's on at present but with clauses for appearances in his final 2 yrs or something.

 

Funny this, when i posted an article similar to this, i got slated because apparentley "if you have one player demanding higher wages it sets an example for others to follow". I also got "You want to go back to the days of arsehole players or ridiculous high wages".

I don't think Barton should be breaking the wage cap, but the wage cap should be increased to about 65/70k.

Barton, Tiote and Enrique will be worth the wages if they help us achieve European spots and trophies later in their careers!!!

Give Barton the money he ****ing deserves!!! The man plays his arse off every game, and atleast he works for the wages and more than earns it!

Give Barton 70k a week. That isn't a silly wage, it's a standard wage for a player worthy of a top 10 team, and that he is!

I suggest we offer Barton, Tiote, Enrique and Coloccini, our best players, 70 k a week. Mike Ashley could easily afford that, because he's already paying 67k for Barton, 50k for Tiote, 60k for Enrique and up to, i've heard, 80k for Colo!

Give our most vital and quality players 70k a week, and if anyone else cries about it, they can leave, because we could sign better easily, but i fear we couldn't sign better than Barton, Tiote, Enrique and Colo and if we could it would cost too much.

 

This plus the fact he was still on the same money even though we'd been relegated and the club wasn't earning as much. They didn't have to take a pay cut even though they'd failed to keep us in the PL.

 

Tash, i don't think we'd even need to give them 70k a lot of the time. like i say i reckon if we just kept him on his current wage he'd sign up in a heartbeat but you can't ask him to take a pay cut when he's one of our best players. we do need to pay the going rate but we won't be signing anybody in the future that will come in demanding ridiculous money anyway. we'll be signing lesser known players from low paying leagues and if they end up being a gem like tiote increase his wages accordingly but gone are the days of bringing in a player and shelling out 80k a week from the off as we simply won't be paying the transfer fees to bring that sort of player in anyway.

 

I don't want us to sign ****ers on 100k a week like we used to, but 70k a week is an average wage for PL player in the top half, and Mike needs to realise if we really want to push on with ambition into the top half and perhaps Europe, we need to get rid of the wage cap for our best players, or else we're going to lose them and/or we'll not be able to sign any top quality players.

I'm not saying have no wage cap at all, but now that we have proven from our first season up that we could push up the table and maybe achieve things, we should raise the bar on the wage cap, and Ashley needs to spend money and get the quality in, if he really means what he says that he wants to see this club in Europe.

We're not going to be able to achieve that with a 50k wage cap, which obviously isn't really to help the club, it's to save his own cash, because those bloke wastes millions down the casino, so he's shown he has money to burn.

 

That is breaking the existing wage cap though and once the players you've mentioned get that; the rest of the squad will then want more on their new contracts to attain parity.

The recent report on the clubs finances show that the club is looking healthier for the long term than many other clubs in this league and due to that we are in a prime position to capitalise on the UEFA directives to work within a viable budget.

The existing club ethos pays well enough with a cap of £50k per week and if it's laced with incentives and bonuses the players cannot complain.

 

Spurs' wage cap is only about £60k per week and they're in the Champions League. Huge wages aren't an effective way of running a football club. The cap was £30k in the Championship, now £50k in the Premier League. It should only be upped again if we get into Europe and look as if we can repeat the feat regularly.

 

I agree entirely with the incentives and bonuses point. i'd have no problem in paying out 70k on the back of a very good performace in which a player scored/assisted X amount of times. because as far as i'm concerned he'd have earned it and our league status would be reflected in the increased levels of performance. if he's on 45k the rest of the time he'd better pull his finger out if he wants his 70k and if that aint an incentive i don't know what is.

 

Aaaalreet,

First post so go easy! Would be delighted to see Joey Barton sign his new contract, and think that keeping him on his current salary would be a fair compromise. While it might be slightly above the imposed wage cap, it does seem harsh for one of our players of the season to take a pay cut for a long term contract.

Tash, you mention Tiote being on £50k plus - to be honest, I think you are way off the mark there. I think his original contract was for £27k and his new contract has only bumped him up to £35k. Brilliant business tying up that legend for so long for that sort of money!!

Go easy!

 

Tash don't get so defensive I said exactly the same to the OP of this thread. Once again though you're not listening, just by those wages rises you suggested you've just added £1.7M to our wage bill each year. Which comes out of the money we get to spend on new players. MA is trying to make the club financially self sufficient, mainly by sticking to the wage structure and reducing costs. We are not a top 10 side, we're a side that's just come back into the Premier league, we need to stabalize before we spend loads of money if not if we don't do as well we could be back in Championship with a bunch of players on huge wages again.

 

I'm afraid i can't go easy...

just jesting! i totally agree with you in fact.

 

http://wzeu.ask.com/r?t=p&d=eu&s=uk...s-not-the-richest-on-the-planet-revealed.html

Average wages -

Manchester United's comparable figures are £55,818 per week, or £2.9 million a year, while just outside the top 30 are Arsenal, at No 31 (with average pay of £50,289 per week; £2.6 million year) and Liverpool at No 33 (£48,662 per week, £2.5 million year).



So they are on well above average for the Premier league.