Not exactly. It contradicts the idea that god created everything at the same time and in roughly the same form that they're in now. A god could conceivably use evolution as part of a creative process. Not particularly compatible with a fairly large number of creation stories, though.
That's the trouble when people jump on the end of a discussion... I started off by saying we have a theory of species jumping based on the evidence. What we lack is proof.
You have given no examples. Did anyone observe these salamanders at a point in time when they could all interbreed and thus establish that they have evolved into a seperate species? No. One last time, give me just one example of a species A which has been observed to evolve into a different species B which cannot breed with A.
stopme wants an example of a cat turning into a horse, and it has to have happened during the last few thousands years. I don't think he understands how evolution works
Oh dear, your complete and utter failure to provide one example to counter my point has left you no other option than to resort to insults.
I understand perfectly. Now, if you wish to dispute my point: please provide just one example of a species A which has been observed to evolve into a different species B which cannot breed with A. If you cannot understand my point, like ST, please **** off.
This is my point. What the **** do you mean by 'observed'? You can't 'observe' evolution happening, you can just look at the obvious proof available like fossils/dna/body structures. Evolution happens through gene mutation, occurring over hundreds of generations. You can't just look at it from such a short timespan.
I believe in it, you just can't call it proven. Scientific method requires that a theory be proven in an experiment to become fact. That's how it works. Not my doing. ST believes that I am stupid and that he is intelligent. He has seized upon a remark I made in support of TFWNN and is desperate to prove me wrong. He has resorted to ever more obscure scientific studies in order to disprove my assertion that there is no scientific proof that a species A can evolve into a species B. Not one of his links came close to disproving my assertion, in fact, most of them are laughable. Proving that one species can evolve into another is the "missing link" in evolutionary theory, if someone proved it, I expect they'd have got more than a Nobel Prize and we'd have all heard of them.
I've just got back from the pub and it was a great Saturday night for me... I see you chaps have been living it up!
You're proud of the fact you got back from the pub before midnight on a saturday? Your life is about as exciting as my parents'
Ah bless, it's about quality and not quantity young gay Tobes! I like to leave before the end of the night, fashionably early if you will Hope you had yourself a great night ya wee paff!
What are you doing here man? Do you really want us all to go to google and link you to evidence for something you already know is true? Although I'll probably struggle to present proof that can in no way be questioned there is no "missing link" in evolutionary theory - the history of fossils, or DNA, almost certainly points towards animals morphing into other animals over time. If you are claiming you want unquestionable evidence then you can **** off - I believe Chelsea won the Champions League last night with the pictures I'm seeing on Sky Sports News this morning, although these 2nd hand reports are not irrefutable I'll accept on the balance of overwhelming evidence before my eyes that this event did indeed happen.
This was my original assertion. I've yet to see an example of scientific observation of a species A changing into a species B which cannot breed successfully with A. The reason for that is because it takes too long, many thousands of years, for it to happen. So...creationists can claim that it has not been proven quite rightly.
A dog isn't going to turn into an elephant right before our eyes, but we have grown ears on the back of rats, watched bacteria breed to form new strains of bacteria, we've seen Tigers shag Lions to become Ligers (a very strong candidate for a new species), we've watched Wolves being bred into Dogs (and although there is no consensus to this, it could be argued they are a different species in the same way tigers and lions are considered different species). You're just nit picking to create an argument where there isn't one.
I never once inferred you were stupid. You said: But I've given you examples, proved by mitochondrial DNA evidence among other things, which proves that speciation has occured. I gave you examples of speciation which are occurring now. You said: As I said, you've been provided with evidence from both the flora and fauna world of speciation but there is NO evidence of God even existing.
