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A Bitter End and a New Beginning:

"On the 6th April 2005 Red Bull took control of the Salzburg Sport AG company and therefore also took control of the football club Austria Salzburg ... The initial reaction to the takeover was euphoric, even amongst the long-standing and most loyal fan groups. No more than a handful of fans harboured any feeling of foreboding as regarded the possible course of events in the following few months. However, during the initial few weeks following the takeover the first rumours of a break with the traditional deep purple and white club colours began to circulate amongst the fans. The talk was of a new FC Red Bull kit in red, blue and silver. This triggered demonstrations, petitions and a flood of open letters to newspapers from every corner of the Violett/Weiss fan community."

Read the whole story here:
http://www.austria-salzburg.at/en/history/a-bitter-end-and-a -new-beginning/

There are some major differences between what happened to them and what is happening to us. Red Bull wanted to erase all the history of the club and remove all connections with the old club including changing the name.
 

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Then you are wrong imo. The whole point of their venture is to make money. They can only do that by (1) Prem football as soon as possible (2) Marketing in the Far East (not racist to use that term now is it?).

To do (1) you need to spend big as your squad isn't good enough. Number (2) will entail a shirt change and bye bye to the Bluebird. As much as I dislike you I think that would be wrong.

They will push this as hard as they can imo and if that includes rebranding to the extent shown here then so be it. Asians are not interested in anything below Prem level. The Club will now have a stark choice.....back down or face the inevitable.

Makes me laugh that there's talk here about buying players like Holt and so on when you've got all this happening. I actually think that admin, whilst not morally acceptable, may be a good route. You won't get relegated imo and you can start rebuilding whilst still in the championship, getting in owners who value tradition not just money.

Don't any of you think that's an option? (How's that for a 'sensible conversation' topic, Taff?)
 
"The Club will now have a stark choice.....back down or face the inevitable."

What are you talking about Aussie? You don't half come out with some first rate **** in the cause of being inflammatory on here.

"The Club", viz the directors, shareholders and the vast majority of supporters have nothing to back down about. You're talking about a small, but nevertheless vocal handfull of certain message board followers who've put the whole proposal package up in the air through their mindless taunts towards the Malaysians.

It's those pillocks who engage their mouths before their brains that need to re-think and "back down" - nothing to do with the club.

Another thing - why shouldn't we talk about players like Holt on here? It may make you laugh as you say, but this is the CCFC board and we'll talk about what we want. Have a good laugh like you've been doing this past few weeks over our playoff demise and ownership uncertainties, but hopefully you'll be laughing on the other side of your face before long.

On the other hand, maybe it'll all go tits up for us to make your day and you can laugh a bit more. <ok>
 
No need to get so uptight, Spunky. Jeez, I was only raising a valid point that a sizeable proportion of fans want nothing to do with the rebranding. You can't deny that. Isn't admin, even if most would shudder at the thought, a viable option? Done early enough you'll almost certainly survive in The Championship next season and rebuild from there, retaining your identity in the process. Why is that "inflammatory"? <doh> There might actually be some fans whom you so readily dismiss as "pillocks" because they don't agree with you who actually favour this option.

As for Holt, just an opinion but this is symptomatic of the cloud cuckoo land that fans over here seem to live in. A player with an ego the size of a house who has had a very good season but has just put in a transfer request which (if the fans are right) is based on wages is not going to drop down to play in the Championship. If I'm proved wrong then so be it.
 
No Aussie - you didn't say a sizeable proportion of fans at all - you said the club needed to back down. All your posts over here are designed to be inflammatory.

Don't be so assumptive Aussie. The ones I dissmissed as pillocks has nothing to do with the fans who would oppose the changes - there are plenty of them and they have every right to their oppinions. It refers to the ones who went out of their way to post racist and threatening posts toward the Malaysians on message boards and Facebook etc.

As for admin - yup definitely an option. Others have chosen that route haven't they.

Also as for the Holt discussion, you are again missing the point regardless of the player concerned - it could be anybody that we have a notion to discuss here in cloud cuckoo land. Symptomatic of our mental condition it may be, but then it is our condition. <ok>
 
i've nothing against the owners if they make money long term from this. losing £12m a year its clear that any owner of this club would need to either increase revenue or decrease costs. they have identified a way they believe they can get the club into the black, at a cost of the colour of the shirt. the badge was changed in 2000 i believe and changed back a couple of years ago to the original one but that went largely unnoticed.....

they are having to deal with the crap left behind by other people in the past. something has to give, and maybe something will in the current weeks.....<ok>
 
Why is it 'inflammatory' to have this debate? Just because I'm the one that's raised it I suppose. Pointless sticking your head in the sand..... "something has to give" as Swamp says (which was my point).

Yes, we've done admin twice, as we're often reminded by some, and contrary to the popular view here the directors weren't dancing around the boardroom laughing their heads of and sticking their fingers up out the window. It's a sad course for any club but by god we're glad that the mechanism exists even if it's morally suspect because otherwise we'd have ceased to exist and wouldn't be reaping the rewards all these years down the line.

I just wonder if Cardiff do go down that route whether those fans like you who have previously sneered at our chequered history over here would retain their view. It may actually shut you up once and for all. <ok>

Good article on Radio Four debating the effect of foreign ownership: http://bit.ly/J92NNG
 
Back to the thread...

.. We don't get involved with their Club or the politics behind it so why should they get involved with ours ?

As far as I'm concerned they can take their banner and stuff it you know where.
 
Knacker, hmm another thread that has nothing to do with Swansea. So you are not only a poor wum but a liar to boot. However, I will respond to your observations.
"Then you are wrong imo" No I am correct, the Malaysians do not want to rub out our history. They will be turning the CCFC stadium into a living museum that is all Cardiff City.
"The whole point of their venture is to make money." No **** Sherlock!
Yes the Malaysians are in it to make money. Is Huw investing in Swansea just for the love of it? Or any owner of a football club other than the owners of Chelsea and Man city.

"They can only do that by (1) Prem football as soon as possible (2) Marketing in the Far East (not racist to use that term now is it?).
To do (1) you need to spend big as your squad isn't good enough. Number (2) will entail a shirt change and bye bye to the Bluebird. As much as I dislike you I think that would be wrong."
All part of the re-branding strategy that is currently in discussion, note this has not been agreed yet.

"They will push this as hard as they can imo and if that includes rebranding to the extent shown here then so be it. Asians are not interested in anything below Prem level. The Club will now have a stark choice.....back down or face the inevitable. "
Then why didn't they buy into a premiership club? Because they see potential here and will be able to market CCFC be it in a red or blue home strip. The dragon is already part of the badge but I do not think the bluebird will disappear completely. But if so then I think 100 million investment will make it slightly easier to swallow.
If it doesn't happen then it will be administration. So even if someone failed maths at school it's an obvious no brainer, take the money and swallow some pride.

"Makes me laugh that there's talk here about buying players like Holt and so on when you've got all this happening. I actually think that admin, whilst not morally acceptable, may be a good route. You won't get relegated imo and you can start rebuilding whilst still in the championship, getting in owners who value tradition not just money."
Keep laughing fella, how many laughed when rumours started about Bellamy dropping down a division? TBH I don't think we'd want Holt, he's too expensive and too old. Added to this he requested a transfer which suggests he's already spoken to another club.
When the investment decision is made good or bad we can discuss Messi or Joe Bloggs as possible signings if we wish after all that's what a message board is designed for.

"Don't any of you think that's an option?" What option?
"(How's that for a 'sensible conversation' topic, Taff?)" 5 out of 10 for effort
 
Taff: That is a very good point. Part of their plans was to make CCFC a celebration our history. The future is yet to be written.

The club has fought like crazy not to go into administration, and I really think they will keep fighting. It has been hanging over head for 3 years now but still we keep going. The club has to be applauded for that. Just didn't lie down and take an easy option.

Originally, I was worried, but now I am confident the owners will not be walking away. I think we can get over that now. The have stabilised the whole issue as it stands. People are willing to discuss the instead of abuse and people are seeing that they have already given a lot to the club and have developed an affinity with Cardiff.

Every statement the owners have made show they do care what happens to Cardiff.
 
great read that taff..<laugh><laugh>

a few quotes from the holt thread:

'but I'd say we would be way down any list to get him. '
'why would he drop down a division? why are we discussing him anyway he will either stay put or defect to another PL team.... '
'could see Grant coming to us but I do see it as highly unlikely but it is possible '
'I suspect another Prem club is offering more money. QPR maybe? '

yet you say 'Makes me laugh that there's talk here about buying players like Holt ' <doh>

oh, and nothing about swansea here either.....or on the holt thread....or the countless others you have squabbled on.... :laugh:
 
Why does there have to be something about Swansea for me to comment? Or is that a new rule you've now created? I can understand you not coming over to ours because it's killing you, but I like to slum it once in a while. Reminds me how far we've come. <ok>

Firstly, our Chairman isn't investing in our Club. He's done his bit and doesn't need to anymore, thanks - mainly due to the £46M we get for our League position. The people at our Club are mainly locals (Jenkins and Morgan) with a smattering of fans through the Trust. The minority Dutch and American owners have little input apparently. So you are wrong you see because our Board aren't in it for the money. They're fans. I accept that your situation is very very different, unfortunately.

"Then why didn't they buy into a premiership club?" Simple. They bought you for a pittance. I've never said that there's no potential in Cardiff. Quite the reverse, in fact.

As for discussing players, and "that's what a message board is for" then again we agree. Why do you then imply that I'm not even entitled to comment? My view is that Holt isn't the kind of player to drop down after such a good season, not even if he went to his home town club wherever that may be. Bellamy was very different and you know it.

Anyway, with West Ham going up your chances have just improved of making the Promised Land. You never know. <ok>
 
Aussie - your posts over here are not just inflammatory, they are an object lesson in one-eyed posting. When are you going to realise that any "sneering" over here about your two times admin/CVAs is invariably in response to taunts from jacks about our plight this past 5 years?

It's obvious that the reality of your "chequered history" as you put it hurts like hell over there, and clearly fuels the wishful thinking of many of you for us to suffer the same fate and would take great delight in it.

Well, if we do go down that route it won't have been for the want of trying to avoid it. If you really want to discuss the matter, this is just my view.

Personally, I can't see that VT having purchased a reported £12M of equity in the club would entertain going down that route just to lose the lot. Other directors like Guy and Borley have also converted an estimated £4M of their loans to the club into equity that they'll have no intention of losing.

Whilst Steve Borley is a Cardiff supporter through and through and may lead with his heart rather than his head, he is also a very shrewd businessman, and Guy in particular does nothing without a reason.
 
Spunky: "....the reality of your "chequered history" as you put it hurts like hell over there". Er...no actually. The past is the past. I don't think anyone is proud when their club goes into admin but we look at how far we've come in just 8 or 9 years with immense pride more than anything else. As you didn't go through it I wouldn't expect you to empathise. The "reality" is Prem football and trust me it ain't hurting. <laugh>

I ask again, why is my post "inflammatory" for merely suggesting admin as an option? You seem to agree that it is, albeit unlikely.

As for who said what first I think we've both been around long enough to realise whilst we poke fun at your 'plight' from time to time it's very true that Cardiff fans are always more than ready to remind us about admin. You know this because you've done it yourself - which makes your last post more 'one-eyed' than mine have ever been. <ok>
 
Fine post Sparkey!

West Ham going up just means to me that one of the teams I felt would be top 2 certainties will not be there next year. I think they had the backing to afford another year with the wages they were paying. They did tell Sam he had 2 seasons. However, there will still be about 12 teams who give themselves a chance to make the top 6 once the season kicks off I imagine.

If we want to be about the place, we need speed and a finisher. This year was a bit of a freaky season for us really. A decent squad, not great, yet we finish 6th and in a Carling Cup final that we could have stolen in the last couple of minutes. I still am not sure how we did it!! :)
 
Knacker. You're the one that said you only comment if it mentions Swansea, not me. No new rules always welcome sensible comments from all footy fans.
Why is it killing me not going on your board? I have no interest in Swansea so have no need to venture there.
So Huw invested in your club and is now reaping the reward heh! Take the blinkers off for crying out loud.
The Malaysian bought us for a pittance, I refer you to my comment about failing maths as clearly it is not your strong point unless of course you are spouting off without looking at the facts first.
The Holt transfer request has been laid to rest as far as I'm concerned as I said he's put a transfer request in as he's more than likely spoken to his new club already. No one hear expects him to come down a division, it was a discussion point nothing more. Bellamy and Holts circumstance may be different but I'd suggest if both dropped down in the same season you wouldn't hear to much about Holt.

Good for West Ham for getting promoted but it has no bearing on the coming season as they are only one club.
 
Aussie - it's pretty clear that when you're told a few home truths, your reversion to silly name calling just about sums up your level. <ok>
 
Knackeredjack said:
Why does there have to be something about Swansea for me to comment? Or is that a new rule you've now created? I can understand you not coming over to ours because it's killing you, but I like to slum it once in a while. Reminds me how far we've come. <ok>
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your excuse is often that you are only posting on swansea related threads, which, as we have now seen many times, you post on many threads on here. i use the term post lightly as squabbling or wumming would be a better term. no-one has any problem with someone coming on here offering balanced views and not openly wumming.

as someone who openly despises all things cardiff its to be expected that you will derail any threads with your constant sneering of our club, though.

and as for the reason i stopped posting on the swansea board, it was constant 'you're jealous' 'next generation profit' whenever i said something remotely critical of swansea. i posted complementary things when i saw fit but no-ones allowed to say anything remotely critical otherwise your jealous. that, and constant crap chucked at me mainly by vetch. thats what scared me off.

say hi to the swans for me when you report your findings back <ok>
 
I have never said those things. Who is "derailing" ?? You lot are so ****ing sensitive. The thread relates to another club that is going down a similar route to yours so my comments are in line with that aren't they?

"Aussie - it's pretty clear that when you're told a few home truths, your reversion to silly name calling just about sums up your level." Where was the name-calling? I've read my post again and can't see it unless you're referring to my new name for you and that's a term of endearment. ;) I suggest you grow a thicker skin - I get called a lot worse, including by you so grow a ****ing pair ffs.

You have not answered a single one of my points. None. What "home truths" are you on about? Trouble is you're so blinkered when it comes to anything I post you are incapable of having a proper debate.

**** it.
 
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