IF you truly think it through, with no bias and give it the same time as you would to say trying to prove there is no god explore in as much detail the science etc its hard to say that there is no creator IMO
It's hard to say that there are no aliens, we haven't found any evidence but we are looking - and we have evidence that we evolved, we have evidence that life exists in one place so we can extend this evidence to suspect that life could very possibly have evolved somewhere else. There is a difference in not knowing in this case, because we have a very clear example of this thing (life) happening at least once - with God we have absolutely no examples of it happening, it's in exactly the same category as Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster where we have been so far unable to disprove a few rather sketchy pieces of second hand evidence.
Ironically its science that is looking for aliens etc as for evidence that we have evolved, you need to look at what you mean by evolved. Its the same with your other examples and includes what you mean by God I will use you as the example here if I may Your notion of God is not my notion of God. The God you seem to be arguing about has 'human qualities' and I would say you are correct as in doesnt exist
I believe there have been quite a few examples of scientists trying to find God, there's also been lots of examples of religious types claiming scientific evidence of God until they have been utterly rebuked. My definition of God is a being which exists and created us, there is absolutely no evidence that this being exists.
I'm not sure I'm wholly against the idea of a 'creator'. I doubt it, but I wouldn't discount it out of hand. But if there was one, that's all he was, a creator. Once he'd created the world (if he did), he fucked off and left us to it. The idea of an omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient 'god', who can somehow be involved or have an interest in the lives of several billion people concurrently, is ridiculous to me. Also, the idea that if such a powerful entity did exist, he would disqualify certain people from his care and protection - in both this life and the next - based on rules some of which are anal in the extreme, is also laughable. As if such a high power would be so petty.
Depends on your view of 'scientific evidence' to a degree. evolution is something you seem to accept. If that is the understanding of evolution (ape to man etc) then there is no real evidence and that is my point with yourself in particular, you dont accept one due to 'evidence' but accept the other As for definition of God, you say 'being that exists', if this is the being with human traits then there is problems IMO. His existence as creator however is 'proven' by our existence and the fact that all things have a creator
Your first sentence basically says that God existed. Based on that you cant be atheist As for the rest of your points, you only have to look at politics and organisations like the UN or the EU to see that having an interest or being involved in the lives of billions is not that strange a concept Your third point is based on what? Its what I have been saying to Mick, you probably based it on what you were taught, never really looked into it but have reached a conclusion
Head banging off the wall stuff - filling the conversation full of waffle to distract from the fact that we have no evidence of an existence of any God in any format (apart from Medro who is the God of Womanising). Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of evidence that we are a member of the ape family - I'd Google some of it then paste, but you can do that yourself. I'm not ignoring any evidence, you haven't give me any evidence, not a single piece or evidence even for your own definition of god, whatever to hell that is.
TBH ST this is above your station/understanding so do us a favour and stay out of it It was a nice discussion before you decided to come on with your usual shoite thanks
A theist believes in a god existing now. Not a creator existing billions of years ago. Religious people believe that god can affect the slightest thing in their life. This is a bit different from the EU. My third point is based on some of the silly rules in all religions.
Ok here is my views atheism = whole world and life as we know it is coincidence religion, in its true form = all things have a creator so do we RE the evolution thing. Can you provide evidence of an ape that became human? and I dont mean a skull from the year 20 and a skull from the year 300 and the assumptions in between For me the fact that we exist is proof of a creator, unless you know of anything that is created without one?
There was more brains fell out my arse during my early morning ****e than exists between your ears. You are nothing more than the not606 intellectual punch bag who gets ripped to shreds with every argument you try and muster. You have all the intelligence of a glass of water yet somehow you've managed to avail yourself of an autolatry complex. You are, without doubt, one of the stupidest people I've ever met in any capacity.
Firstly Jip it wasnt my intention to be patronising (as ST suggests). and I will continue to respond as I do untill you say it is wrong I disagree with your view on theists. As I said a theist believes in a creator, an atheist doesnt. Can and does are not the same thing. And even then I refer back to what I said earlier 'religious people' and 'religion' dont necessarily mean the same thing. look at say celibacy for priests in catholicism or the prophethood in shia Islam I accept its a lot different to the EU, but hopefully you see what I menat The rules in religion are the essence of my debate/discussion. You say silly rules (again see the examples above which I would agree are silly) then see what religion says about them. Basically it doesnt
For once, you've hit the nail on the head, albeit you aren't aware of doing so. You do realise people are taking the piss out of you, don't you? Do you think grown adults like Jip and Mick would engage a halfwit like you in serious debate? Come on, think about it!
Do you honestly believe this? Let me put it another way for you, DNA is a recent phenomenon in the scheme of things What DNA research shows is that we have similar characteristics in DNA for basic cellular functions in essence everything that exists human, animal, bird, plant has this Religion already told us that we were all created from the same basic ingredients, eg water not really new and not really suprising
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” Epicurus
