Yet dis tread was designed to be a tread to precisely discuss dis matter. No? If you are so interested in discussing LUFC, why put up a tread that does not discuss LUFC but discusses whether the opinions that people have about what is happening at LUFC are the right opinions or not?
Absolutely no point. Every tread I have started in the past have always degenerated into the same ****e. I visit this forum because I want to discuss all things LUFC and not just the boring bates stuff that has been done to death and back on hundreds of occasions here. I do however question the motives of some so called supporters who seem to have little to offer except for a one dimensional argument
Please feel free to show the latest post where that one-dimensional argument has been put forward by me on a thread that was talking LUFC (ie not this thread, nor in reply to a post that claims Bates must have done good and thus directly requests anti-Bates responses from those that choose) and then put it in the context of all the other posts where I have not even mentioned Bates in that same time period
Hypocrisy. We're just as tired as your "same old ****e" about unrealistic chirpiness and optimism and trying to force a discussion about what players we might get when they are either crap or won't come to Leeds.
No need for that. People who hate Bates do so because they care about the club. Some of us, myself included perhaps, might have mentioned him too frequently, but that's hard not to do when almost everything concerned with the club is affected by him in one way or another.
And just to show you up for the lies you spout, here is a small analysis of the last 4 threads you have started: “Is this forum heading down the same...” – started 18/0/12 specifically as a thread that wanted responses about Bates (else why write it cos it aint about LUFC?) “Good riddance to Blackburn” – started 7/5/12 – not descended into Bates/anti-Bates “An ignominious end to our season” – 21/4/12 – “We can but hope that with the addition of our top class championship manager coupled with some carefully extracted investment from the great one will finally kick start a proper promotion push for the premiership next year.” And you have the audacity to claim that you are upset that people argue against your description of Bates as “the Great One”. I think you have just shown what a complete muppet you are. But even this thread did not degenerate into the same Bates/Anti-Bates ****e “Four months to our next match” – 7/4/12 – you started a rather depressing thread about how our season was over, “for the most part a load of rubbish” and the squad was “useless”. Did you expect it to suddenly become enlightened and happy? Still did not become Bates/Anti-Bates
You're fairly selective in what you read into my posts. The final one was a genuine hope that under Warnock we will start next season with a better team. Hardly negative I would have thought. My previous post, which you didn't mention was to congratulate Reading on a great season, nothing negative there. My reference to bates as the great one was a sarcastic one which you obviously don't understand. This tread was started to point out the obvious, and I don't intend to start repeating myself., there's enough here that do that daily. All that remains is for me to wish your good self and your couple of negativity specialists the best of luck for the rest of the summer. I have the euros to look forward to which will provide some great entertainment for those of us who enjoy our footie
Aye the euros will be great for spain. I was certainly vselective in choosing your last 4 leeds threads. Add in that other and it is five where you have not had a thread degenerate when you did not expect it to. I rest mycase, your lies are in plain sight and you have still not found my most recent unbidden antibates rant. You make upnyour arguments to suit your self in the same way you would prefer all to have exactly the same opinion as you. Thankfully some of us can think for ourselves
I know Bates is no good for our club, but I can't help but find it sick that you'd wish ANY human to die. I love football as much as the next man, but saying stuff like that is just utterly disgraceful as far as I'm concerned.
Would I be happier in a world without Ken Bates? Yes. Will Leeds United be a better club without him? Most probably. Is he, essentially, an evil man? Yes, just look at his history of defrauding in Ireland, colonization attempts in the Caribbean and friendships with shady racist characters in Africa. Has Bates himself mocked dead people? Yes. Will I throw a party the day he pops his clogs? Absolutely. If that makes me a bastard, then so be it. I don't feel sad when people I don't know or respect have died, and do feel happy when ones I hate do die. To boil it down to the lowest common denominator, without such people alive in my world, things have improved because they can't inflict any more anguish. If something improves your life, you should be all for it. "...Feel so happy, I feel so fine. When Ken Bates dies, it's party time."
Bates is without doubt a ****, we all know this! But there's a big difference between not feeling sad when people you don't know/respect die, and actually genuinely wishing someone is dead. Maybe it's my fault for not caring about football above all else, but the fact that anyone thinks it's okay to wish death upon someone worries me slighly... Maybe it's just the way I am but I don't think I could ever wish death upon someone and wake up feeling the same the next day...it's just sick. Just my opinion
To take it to an extreme, you couldn't wish even the most evil person in the world would die? You couldn't live with yourself for wishing death on, let's say, a child-enslaving pimp, or a genocidal maniac, or a bioterrorist, or an arsonist, or a scum fan ( ), and then celebrating if they passed? What was your reaction when Bin Laden was killed, for instance?
you'll probably just assume i'm making it up now to back up my point, but honestly i thought bin laden should've been captured and stood trial, although i understand the risks involved, especially since they assumed he could have been wearing a bomb vest. that's just me though...i see a human that's responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people and i don't want to kill them. firstly, killing them is too easy - they should suffer for the hurt they've caused - and secondly, i think killing someone who's killed someone is double standards tbh. again, that's just my outlook on life i guess. you might think i'm a fool for it, but yknow, so be it. i study criminology, and although i'm not condoning their actions, you'd be surprised at how many criminals/murderers have absolutely diabolical upbringings - but their parents never get charged with anything. again, i probably sound like i'm sticking up for killers now - i'm absolutely not, i just don't think killing anyone is necessary. by all means, if they're a considerable danger to society, lock them up, do whatever you want - but in my book, killing someone makes you as bad as them, and wishing death on someone is almost as bad. that's just me though, everyone's different
so you want Ken Bates to suffer before he dies.... Are you into torture then kiwi? On this point, I don't wish for Ken Bates to die but only because I can't say I hate him. I know people who I genuinely do wish death on and maybe that makes me a cold hearted **** but I couldn't care less
Or Saddam Hussein? Interestingly if you look at it from a Muslim extremist point of view, Bin Laden is now a martyr and a hero because he was killed, instead of languishing in a Pakistani jail (from which he would have been sprung very quickly and spirited away so that would have been a waste of time). I am very happy he has been killed. It only cost hundreds of billions of pounds since 2001 in trying to get him and probably contributed hugely to our current global debt problems that led to the current recession. But I am HAPPY he is dead and prefer he is dead than spending more money on keeping him alive and guarding him and preventing others from trying to spring his escape. As a criminologist, how do you feel about Bates's business history?
Bates probably isn't the best example...but especially with regards to murder etc, I think they should be locked in jail and suffer that way. Killing them just gives them a way out.
I can see your reasoning re Hussein and Bin Laden, especially with regards to money. Obviously there's always a time when you have to look at it and think 'okay well, we don't have a choice but to kill them'. But from a personal point of view, I wouldn't want anyone dead and I'm certainly not glad they are. And honestly, I barely know anything of Ken Bates' business history before Leeds United (unless you're just referring to that time period) so I'm not too sure. Obviously he's one very shady guy though!
