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Obama supports gay marriage

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  1. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
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    @ Fan

    It doesn't matter what year it became legal, it matters when it came into force. If you were going to calculate the average number per year, you would go back to the end of 2005, not the end of 2004. Hence 50,000 divided by 6.5 years, not 7.5, and 7692 per year rather than 6666. By citing 2004, you are basically 'fudging' the figures, including a year when it was impossible for gays to marry to try and make gay marriage appear less common.
     
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    Its been 8ish years since it was made LEGAL not 6ish

    the question was whether or not it was made LEGAL in 2004 based on the way British law is made, as described earlier
     
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    Why say "50000 in the last 8 years" when for 18 months of that period gay marriage was not possible?
     
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    People couldn't enter into civil partnerships during 2004 and about 95% of 2005, so what relevance do they have to the numbers?

    It wasn't made legal in 2004, as you couldn't legally enter into a civil partnership in that year, could you?
     
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    Fair enough Jip, if that was the argument

    Where PNP ****ed up, and has been trying to cover up, was that he disputed it was made legal in 2005. WHich it clearly wasnt

    He has, as usual try and move the argument to something else

    Its a simple question really, when was it made legal?

    as for the figures, as I said I cited them from QT. I checked and it is closer to 50 than 20, but as I said I have never argued/disputed this initially.

    I do think though that 50k is hardly massive regardless of what year tbh, bearing in mind that figure doesnt reflect the dissolutions
     
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    It was made legal as soon as royal assent was given, that is how the law works

    Even today to get recognised you have to give notice of upto a year

    As I said when was it made legal? and as I said in Brighton people were able to put their names down in 2004 as soon as it was made legal
     
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    In the 8ish years since it was made legal

    as mentioned earlier people were in fact able to register for a civil partnership in 2004
     
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    You're just laughably wrong, Fan.
    I pointed out two mistakes that you'd made and you've actually conceded both points, while still trying to maintain that you're right! <laugh>

    Hilariously deluded.
     
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    An average 15k gays per year getting married. Roughly 1m gays in the UK. So 1.5% of gays get married per annum.

    In 2010, just under half a million straight people married. Roughly 50m adults in the UK. So 1% of straight people marry every year.

    Gay marriage is hence 50% more common per head than straight.
     
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    I was just about to post something similar.

    He just posts ****e without thinking it through then spends the rest of the thread in deflection mode, even though it's clear to anyone reading it he's in the wrong.
     
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    Conventional marriage figures were at a high in 2010 too, having been in decline for some time.
     
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    May I be pedantic?
     
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    If you must.
     
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    I don't have to be.

    I just have an urge to be.

    There presently is no gay marriage. It is a civil partnership.

    If the argument is about gay marriage as opposed to civil; partnership, then presumably there is a difference between the two (I still don't know what that is). So comparing civil partnerships with marriage is an inaccurate comparison. A more accurate comparison would be the number of conventional marriages combined with the number of couples considered to be common law partners.
     
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    I thought gay marriage = civil partnership :huh:
     
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    Apparently there is a difference. Obama said he changed his mind from support for civil partnerships to marriage. I dont know if that shift is seismic or a matter of semantics. I figure there must be something to it if Obama felt compelled to comment on it. I am still none the wiser.
     
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    Does Obama not mean a marriage in that it begins with a religious ceremony?
     
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    That is the only thing I can think of.

    It was the reason that way back pages and pages ago I inquired whether or not this impinged in any way on the Bill of rights. And I guess the First amendment too.

    Some posters think that Religion has nothing to do with this but I can't think of any other reason.
     
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    I'm thinking of becoming gay. Jip? <ok>
     
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  20. Jip Jaap Stam

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    You have my blessing IG <ok>
     
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