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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Redbrynner, May 18, 2012.

  1. Redbrynner

    Redbrynner Well-Known Member

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    If you read some journos opinions of LFC over recent days, then we are not the club we once were.

    Agreed...On the pitch we have had no where near the success we have had in the past.

    But off the pitch we are certainly a very major player.

    All football talk at the moment seems to be about Liverpool. There is an English team playing in the champions league tomorrow, but a day before im not seeing much of a build up, (although im looking forward to it myself.)

    Everything, (as per usual) is about us. And I would not be surprised if this is occurring in some other countries aswell, (not just the UK.)

    Anyone who thinks we are declining is sorely mistaken. Journos have not always been our best friends, but they do know what sells, and Liverpool clearly is something that alot of people are interested in.

    We are very lucky to get the coverage that we do, and every body loves a darkhorse.....On the pitch we still have alot of work to do, and there are millions of peope out there just waiting for us to do it.

    Alot of teams get good for a period, but cant sustain it because nobody really cares.

    but we dont have that problem......Love us oor hate us, everybody wants to hear about us and that can only be a good thing.

    FSG will be looking at he media coverage of this whole debarcle, and hits on websites, and tweets and blogs and they will be licking their lips.

    As they have bought a club for 300M, that has the same media coverage or more than the Billion dollar priced teams.....

    They are a clever bunch, and can hopefully see the potential of our club as a worldwide brand and will back us accordingly....

    Maybe im being abit shortsighted and biased.......

    But if i were a Chelsea fan, id be proper pissed off that my team was in the Champions League final tommorrow and all the news seems to be concentrating on the team that finished 8th.


    (Not aimed at Chelsea - Im all for them tomorrow.)

    You can buy a team
    you can even buy a trophy

    What you cant buy is the appeal that some teams have developed by history and Legend.......

    We have that.......the world wants to see Liverpool, Alot once to see us back as a massive team, (itd be like King Arthur walking in through the door) and some want to see us fall on our face, but as long as people care either way, then there is money to be made.


    there is no real point to the article other than to say. We finished 8th this year, but i believe we will get the most media coverage out of all the teams in the Prem during the off season......This speaks volumes about our club!!
     
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  2. District Line

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    What you have is the media on your side. Due to successes in the 70s and 80s your club is still respected by journalists most of whom grew up in the era of Liverpool domination. People like success, they like winners. The notion that Brits favour the underdog is a myth.

    You'll find that outside the media, nobody really cares about your problems and there would be many happy to see you in midtable, that's not a dig it would be the same for us or any other club. If your a Wolves or Villa fan for instance, you'll find people really don't care who wins the league or who is top.

    Media favouritism is something that cannot be changed quickly in football, just as it can't in Politics. It took years for Labour to win the media over and it will take years for Chelsea and City to do the same (if they ever do).

    When things are going well for Chelsea or even City nobody is interested (Arsenal as well), but the moment things start to go badly suddenly the media have huge interest and swarm like vultures. When Arsenal lost 8-2 to United I swear for about 2 days they dominated the back pages, Sky Sports News were literally reshowing the game every 30 mins without fail, the media loved reminding them of the fact Spurs were apparently so much better than them. When City lost 1-0 to Arsenal it was similar, never seen a media backlash like it. Chelsea was similar after defeats to Arsenal and United in the league despite the fact we were arguably the better team in both and deserved to lose neither on the balance of play.

    United and Liverpool don't have that, the media portrays them as the connoisseurs of all that is great about football (maybe that would explain the number of gloryhunters down South and in the Midlands)
     
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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    You might also find that nobody outside of the media gives a **** about you're final.

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    RogerisontheHunt Well-Known Member

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    I care about it, I really want to see Bayern lift that trophy on their home ground:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>
     
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  6. District Line

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    Exactly, and that's the way it should be.

    I wasn't having a dig by the way.

    Just saying it how it is.
     
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  7. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    District Line I stopped reading after the first line <ok> Liverpool have NEVER been the media darlings you plank. United got that tag sown up in the '60s and the media (most of) hated Liverpools dominance through the 70s and 80s. Add to this that Liverpool being a traditionally left wing city and this country has a predominantly right wing press we have as a people and a club never ever been "media darlings". Did Shanks, Paisley or ***an get knighthoods for their endeavours. Did Kenny for all his amazing support post Hillsborough? No what Liverpool got post Hillsborough was our delightful media describing us as scum.
     
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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    DL its all down to opinion mate.

    <ok>
     
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  9. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Even though ALL of thats true Billy it must be hard for outsiders like DL to understand,of course our city's politics have played a massive part in the big picture.

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    The media have been riding Liverpool since hillsborough, and the rise of the geriatric scots tw4t in Salford who makes no secret of his loathing of Liverpool. The funniest piece i read today (can't remember the paper) suggested that Chelsea have more fans than us worldwide in particuliar Asia. Having toured Asia last year and seeing only United and Liverpool shirts everywhere I would suggest that once again the media are talking jackson pollocks.

    There all happy to jump on the bandwagon and report are decline, but they forget that just over 18 months ago we could have gone into adminstration under Hicks and Gillette unless NESV had not bought us. To recover from there reign is going to take time, there has been alot of work behind the scene's to improve are commercial revenue, they was hardly a mention of the £35 million to pay off H&G's stadium plans or a mention of them clearing the £100+ million debt.

    This doesn't sell papers. doesn't get pillocks phoning premiumn rate numbers to have there say on radio phone in's. What does is Liverpool's decline.
     
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  11. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    There's a simple way to look at it mate (and I think I'd better keep it simple)...where are all the rags and broadsheets from/based? Landan and Manchester (let's not forget the Salford Broadcasting Corporation and The Guardian, formerly known as The Manchester Guardian). The only remotely left wing paper The Mirror wasn't nicknamed The Daily Manc for nothing <laugh>

    LFC media darlings? An shambles.
     
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  12. DirtyFrank

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    Ach, I think it's a little false for others to say there's no interest outside us & the media. The amount of people from other teams that have felt the need to tell us how bad we are for the last two decades repeatedly over every public forum speaks for itself.

    I mean various teams have peaked & troughed in that time & they all race to us for validation, even of its just to say we are now better than you. Some have sustained it, some aren't even in the premiership any more.

    And it might sound arrogant but that's why we aren't liked. We haven't lay down & died and faded down the leagues like others. Even at our worst time we survived & survived at the top.

    This makes people jealous because like it not at our worst we're still in the elite, not on top of that pile but in it. They suspect like we believe that if we can survive all this without a free fall there's a probability we can be great again & sit on the top the pile.

    So when they keep saying; you're time is over; ask them for a date for our Demise because so far the second coming lot have been more specific.

    And it's that spirit & attitude loved or loathed that keeps people interested.

    I now give you a performance by WUM in A Minor :D.........
     
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  13. Redbrynner

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    It was quite fitting that the first person to comment on my article was a fan of another team....

    Love us or loathe us, he came over to see what is happenning on the Liverpool board. This can be blown up to a bigger picture.

    Liverpool news is big news.......hits means money

    And our club was a bargain for our owners and im sure they know that......

    When hicks and gillete were talking of massivley over inflated prices for our club.....It was due to the potential and the interest there is in our club.......It has the potential to be worth as much as Barca, real and Man Utd, it just hasnt been properly done
     
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  14. District Line

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    Mate I won't deny the media are firmly in the pockets of United only a fool could disagree with that, but they undoubtedly favour Liverpool over Chelsea, City and Arsenal in particular. I have always said Shankly should have been knighted as should Paisley, not Dalglish though IMO.

    You are absolutely kidding yourself. So you think given the history and rivalry between London clubs the press can be neutral between us? For years the media have portrayed Chelsea as the right wing club with Nazi fans etc when the truth is West Ham and Spurs were just as bad in the 80s as were Leeds (still are) and almost every other club. When the violence broke out between West Ham and Millwall, the first thing the media did without knowing any of the facts was blame the Millwall fans despite the fact the majority of the violence was West Ham.

    The media have singled out our fans for merely singing "Anton, what's the score?" yet for years on end when Spurs and West Ham fans make helicopter noises about Matthew Harding (R.I.P) and in the case of West Ham sing songs about Pat Lampard (the wife of their own club legend) nothing gets said at all.

    The London media are all Spurs and West Ham fans (as well as Palace & Fulham) and have hated the recent success Arsenal and moreso Chelsea have had down the years and they love Liverpool and United because they have been the only adequate opposition for us over the last 20 years.

    I came on here to gather opinion on your current crisis, I frequent other boards far more often <ok>
     
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  15. Sir_Red

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    Case and point, home page of sky sports chose to put in full view that Rogers wasn't interested in managing us! There's a CL final on tomorrow, you'd never have known! We're big news
     
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    A Reds fan came on talk ****e earlier, and told that tosser Adrian Durham that he was basically a knob. Durham had been spouting about Liverpool being a small club, with unrealistic and deluded fans, and the caller just said 'why have you being talking about us non stop for two days then?'. Durhams response was,'you've got a big history' and then cut him off.
     
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    The media are obsessed with us certainly, but love us?
    Never in a million years.
     
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  18. District Line

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    <whistle>.
     
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    To be fair I think the media loves to have a dig at us and stir things up. Any chance to isolate us is taken. Granted we have a hanful of pundets who are obviously biased, buts the rags and general reporting usually leaves me a tad annoyed.
     
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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Short memory or dementia DL?

    "The media have singled out our fans for merely singing "Anton, what's the score?" yet for years on end when Spurs and West Ham fans make helicopter noises about Matthew Harding (R.I.P) and in the case of West Ham sing songs about Pat Lampard (the wife of their own club legend) nothing gets said at all."

    'Spurs are on their way to..........',well you Chelsea fans know the rest.


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