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The vision - Ian Ayre speaks

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  1. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys, this is a bit of a long read so I'm only going to post a link, not quote.

    http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-i-ve-spoken-to-top-stars

    Its Ian Ayre talking about whats going on (not the interview from the other day).

    In summary:

    Players: He has spoken to the top stars and is confident none will be wanting to leave LFC this summer.

    Directors: Several announcements of new recruits will be made over the next fortnight. (Suggesting they pretty much know who it will be).

    DoF: The plan is to name 2 or 3 people in this role, which is a unique vision for LFC and not copied from any other club. The reason he gave was that this year the DoF and Manager were having to travel to watch 30 games in order to find a player for just one position. They feel the job would be easier shared.

    "I wouldn't go as far as to say the manager's job will only be a training ground role but absolutely the idea is to create a structure so that the manager doesn't need to focus on too much else.

    Dalglish: Kenny was dismissed because results were not good enough, especially for business. They were not attracting enough revenue, which makes it very difficult to safely invest. They need to be able to safely invest in order to take the club forward and to the top.

    His own job: Ayre is still working very hard, but some one will be appointed to work along side him, enabling us to bring in even more revenue.

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    So there is proof that the owners have a clear vision, and even there own unique ideas, which do sound like good ones.

    It sounds to me like the owners have learnt a lot these season, and maybe needed it in order to build a solid plan.

    Opinions?


    I wonder if Iam Ayre feels lonely in that office or whether he is enjoying the fact that he can stroll around naked....
     
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  2. DR Dirk

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    only skimmed, any word on stadium? :emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0138-think
     
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  3. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Nope. But it cant be much longer now.
     
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  4. Denny Kalglish

    Denny Kalglish Member

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    Interesting...

    "We will have a slightly different structure so there will be two or three positions within that. Running a big football club is a big challenge. It's evident we need to focus on each area with a specialist who will deliver value in each area."

    He's talking about head scout roles there surely? Could this pave the way for Rafa return perhaps. He has always stated he wants full control of player transfers - maybe this model would work if they presented potential signings for his final approval? Kind of feels a little Money Ball ish as well?
     
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  5. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see Rafa back at the club in some way. He actually loves the club and wants to be here, more than your typical foreigner. It's important we have these kind people at your club.
     
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  6. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    I thought maybe there's some one looking at stats and figures, another at personal attributes, physicality, physiological etc, and another doing the talking.

    Or it could be one doing young players, one doing more senior players and one chief over looking both.
     
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  7. Henducas

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    I would be quite happy to see Rafa in some role, although im not yet sure which role id like that to be, the man properly cares about the club
     
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  8. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Cheer leading.

    That man can swing some shapes.

    I remember the 2 good 2 bad Rafa hand signal specials on MOTD2.
     
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  9. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Well at least there's a certain logic behind everything.

    It appears the owners are the type to try something & if it isn't working be brave enough to scrap it completely.

    As long as that isn't happening every year or it will be counter-productive.

    Also, regarding the Manager; so they are looking purely at results from an investment point of view? Does this mean that once we get the investment the manager will have more breathing room to develop a squad. i.e. make champions league, obtain the investment, 2 years to win the league/champions league; more investment.

    What is plan B if despite better performances, due to our competitors (funny enough) improving too we still only make 5th or 6th for the next two years? If the investment is dependent purely on league position, what if we don't get?

    Not trying to be negative, as I think it shows balls to scrap & restart, just as long as its not trying a list of methods from a corporate handbook & hoping one works.....
     
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  10. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    If we are competing it still sells tickets, gets us on TV, stops people laughing at us etc. Even if we fall short.
     
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  11. Klopp's Mannschaft

    Klopp's Mannschaft Well-Known Member

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    I liked this part, sort of confirms what I was saying the other day about the board not being entirly happy with his MD role, although they said they were delighted with what he achieved as the commercial director. Putting him back to that position full time and hiring someone else to oversee the MD position - DAVID DEIN!

    The multiple DoF is...er...an odd one. I could see it working with the right people. One to oversee the scouting and helping the manager pick players which fit our philosphy and perhaps one to be working alongside the academy/reserve team in instilling our philosphy to them, also updating the manager on their progression. Something the manager would typically have to all of, is now given to him in nice simple reports, and something that Comolli would have to do alone is now split into two clear roles. Not sure what a third role could be...but I could see it going well with two.

    More hot air from the board? Or a genuine vision...
     
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  12. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    FSG are being advised on the process by "highly regarded people within football"

    Kind of like the guy they just sacked.

    Positivity - like the big fat "No thanks" Brendan Rogers just stuck on the end of his stiff middle finger. I wonder how that fits in with Ayre's statement that, "I do not think we are in a situation where the very experienced, very capable, very driven managers who people would want to see here do not want to come." Not even the ones we don't want to see.

    If they want to "safely invest" I'd suggest pharmaceuticals, insurance and Utd bonds. How poignant that the only man left standing is the Commercial Director.

    If we're going to talk about recent records let's look at FSG's ability to pick a new manager who can turn things around, considering they were trying to turn around a major Sox collapse, not a trophy-winning season full of 'most number of' stats:

    [video=youtube;w5t2Zmtxyzg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5t2Zmtxyzg[/video]
     
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  13. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    And here's one for Mr. Ayre:

    [video=youtube;OuMq9TdyP2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuMq9TdyP2Q[/video]
     
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  14. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    Bostons answer to Shameless Smith(youtube pundit of the year 2010) <yikes>
     
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  15. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    I like the idea of having a whole load of Directors of Football because one man on his own had to attend a whole THIRTY games to find a player for one position. I went to more games than that this year PLUS held down a full time job <ok> What exactly are the rest of our scouts doing just out of interest? So having 3 DoFs will be a massive help eh? Next thing you know we'll have joint managers...oh wait...<whistle>
     
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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    managers need to know all about opposition teams and potential rivals across europe. thus he needs access to the scouting network.

    2/3 positions means no "director" surely. you can't put 3 people on the board, one for senior players, one for junior players, one for staffing etc... thats not going to work.

    It'd not be surprising to see kenny back in a role honeslty.

    I think giving them 2 weeks to prove the words is reasonable. I'll eagerly await what they do... i just hope they don't strip yet more areas of the club to fill these slots.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    this is very interesting:

    "The Carling Cup and the FA Cup don't generate the revenue and the success that is needed to keep investing. If you want to be successful, you have got to keep investing.

    so basically what he said is FSG will not give that much money and to keep up with the jones' we need CL revenue. Clearly there is a sustain model and a set up model so the very key question is will FSG invest to get the club into the CL....... will we then required 4th or better every year to survive?

    hmmmmm....
     
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  18. Klopp's Mannschaft

    Klopp's Mannschaft Well-Known Member

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    This is one of the more interesting things about FSG and their plan for the club. They want, or rather expect, us to reach the top 4 so we can sustain ourselves and keep on improving through the financial gains CL football provides, yet they seem to want/expect this without significant investment from themselves (so far). The only other issue is whether they want/expect top 4 in minimal time, which going from Kenny alone, would indicate they expect rapid progress.

    The next manager needs either time or money, if he gets neither, they're epxecting miracle work and we'll keep on seeing managers replaced until they give up and leave the club, or someone strikes lucky. A young manager would suggest they'll give him more time than Kenny received. A proven, top quality manager would suggest they're willing to dig a bit deeper into their pockets to push CL football. Their selection in manager will say alot about their plan.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    we'll have to see, they have an out in saying its unsustainable long term which doesn't mean in the short term they will do it.

    its strange that a cup win and fa cupo final isn't the revenue yet only one year is given. i can understand feeling it wasn't going to improve next year either but they need to state that.
     
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  20. Noblelox

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    So how does the manager decide who he wants then? This sounds like the "manager" will just be rubber stamping any purchase.

    I can't see Rafa getting, or wanting the job, based on this. He has probably been to see a lot of football over the last few months, and will no doubt have his eye on whoever he wants. Only to be confronted with a committee of DoFs FFS! And since when would you have to go see 30 matches to scout one player? How **** are you at your job if you need to see someone play a whole season before knowing if they are right? OR alternatively, have the lack of confidence to have to consider 30 players for one role? Jeez just pick one that can do the job!

    We are going to have more bureaucracy than local government. Who do the yanks blame and sack next season, when they have 3 people doing the one job, and the union willing to bring everyone out on strike at the drop of a hat??
     
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