NO to Martinez. NO to Rodgers. Do we really want a manager who has saved a team from relegation? So what if he's bright. We need someone with proven managerial ability. Not someone who we hope will cope at being at big club.
A long term solution is what we need, therefore a young ambitious manager. Not some old fart that might bring a season of success then get dementia and **** everything up. Skylarker = Team Martinez.
Seems to have worked well with Chelsea. Valencia hired Benitez from 2nd division Tenerife; Arsenal hired Wenger from the J League and I remember Liverpool hiring a manager who's club were 14th in the table the year he took over Liverpool, I'll give you a couple of clues to who it was, the club was Huddersfield and the year was 1959
Well it wont be Rogers, if Sky are correct http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7763511/Rodgers-turns-down-Liverpool
like i said in another thread,Martinez could work well for you,he did alright at Swansea,Built most of that team that Roger's took over
Didn't 'Arry save a club or two from relegation...? Hell, he's actual been relegated a time or two too...!!! IMO, it is not as stright forward as 'relegated or not'. You have to look at what they had at their desposal, the style they like to play, the tactics they employ, their mentality, etc. For example, Roy Hodgson looks fantastic in charge of a lower club but was way out his depth when it come to Liverpool. Capello has a proven track record domestically yet looked lost in charge of England. Different situations suit different managers. Not saying I think either of those two are right (I don't), just that things are not as simple as "Do we really want a manager who has saved a team from relegation?" Edit: didn't Roberto Di Matteo get sacked from West Brom not too long ago...?
It depends on what they have to work with. Just because they were with a relegation threatened team doesn't mean they are a relegation manager. Jesus Christ couldn't win the prem with Wiggy, we have to look deeper than the position of their current club. I'm not saying I believe either is the man for the job, just that you can't simply go on league position. P.S. Sorry, Gerrez. Just noticed I've said virtually the same as you.
scenario 1: redknapp finally gets his big job... he's not only won an fa cup but got pompey consistently high in the table (made mistakes and bankrupted clubs too) but he gets the job off the back of a long long record. scenario 2: a man gets a side promoted and then gets a big job.... roberto di matteo? nah he got the sack from west brom rightly.... chelsea are being run by john terry.... no paul jewell is the prime example. he got his side up then looked good one year... then promptly fell apart. Do you want a guy with no track record as a big risk? Scenario 3: player becomes a manager: carrgher in other words. Scenario 4: Top guy top wages... name was rafa benitez.. god knows who is next. All in all i cna only say appointing a guy with very little track record is a huge risk... its a steve kean risk.... hodgson shows why scenario 1 is also a risk. I'd rather carrgher be appointed as much of a risk as that is than take those two options. SO either hire a top guy for huge wages or appoint carra.
Whoever we get it's a risk. There are no guarantees. My only point is that you can't judge a manager purely on the position of his current club.
You lot have Redknapp and we'll have Martinez. I'm telling u now, that man with a decent team and players would have his team playing better football than anyone else in England by a mile.
Its a fair point to be honest; there are a fair few examples of managers from lower teams who go on to be a huge success. However I do wonder in this age of 24hr media if those days are largely gone, the pressure these guys are under now is huge because the pressure for the media to find a story to 'report' is also huge. I think a lot of managers COULD make it but its whether they have the time or are given the patience to learn from their inevitable mistakes; sadly I think those days are gone even for us at Liverpool who are famous for time and patience!
Sadly, I think you're right, Shanks. The Liverpool tradition of giving time to managers was built on the "family" nature of the club, and the continuity within the management structure. We now have owners who are miles away, geographically and metaphorically, from those traditions. I think the old days are gone, and we have to compete in a ruthless business environment where there's little room for sentiment or even fairness. Having said that, perhaps we have the right owners to do just that. Only time will tell.
Got to love the arrogance of football fans... Thankfully you've got some more open-minded participants on this thread! You set-up a win-win situation for yourself (which you will probably perversely describe as lose-lose)... First - suggest whoever will be appointed (whatever their record) will not be good enough for your mighty football club Second - When they actually get appointed, complain a bit so everyone knows how clever you are Third - When things go right, you quickly change your tune and fall into line behind your glorious leader... When things go wrong, you say how right you were and stoke the other villagers into pitch and fire wielding action... "Burn the yanks! Burn the yanks!" you'll cry.... We have them at Newcastle too. Of course your opinion is important, it's one of the thousands that actually do matter because they mean your club exists (as oppose to the others like mine who mean nothing), but stop being critical before these talented (and nobody should be denying it) managers step into the hotseat. Just bloody support them if they do.
Swansea City can confirm that an approach from Liverpool FC to speak to manager Brendan Rodgers was officially received by club chairman Huw Jenkins this morning. The club is pleased to confirm that Brendan has declined the current opportunity to speak to the Anfield club about the vacant position. The Swansea manager is currently working hard to strengthen the squad in readiness for the new Barclays Premier League campaign. The club will make no further comment at this stage.
Thats the beauty of forums like this though because you can always dig out a posters history and show them up for the idiot they are! However I think you are being a little unfair; I think its the normal course of events to 1) question the names put forward 2) remind people that you are against it for a while 3) slowly accept the appointment has been made and there is nothing you can do, only then to slowly and perhaps reluctantly get behind your club again. I am sure you were thrilled when Pardew took over and was on your own forum saying how wonderful he was going to be and how he would take you onward and upwards!
I think it was the right decision tbh. Good luck. He's done well and I'm sure he'll only get better the more experience he gets. If he does move on to a "bigger" club, I hope he leaves you with a sound foundation to build on.
