Everyone is up in arms about this interview (me included), but we all need to take a step back. I don't think Martinez is the man to take us forward but I could be wrong. He has a way of playing football and a way of running a club he has ideas. He's no mug and at least has a plan for a football club from youth through to the first team, maybe we need someone with that kind of idea? We could go for Mourinho who would bring us short term success, it's what he's good at. No plan no youth just let him buy players and he'll win the league. He'll also disappear as soon as he doesn't get more money and leave the club in a bit of a state. I was ranting about Martinez earlier but have stopped and started thinking, I'm still not sure but I'm not so against the idea either. AVB is another manager mentioned, what makes him such a safe bet? No doubt he did a great job at Porto and he was not given the time to mold a team at Chelsea. He was however showing signs that he couldn't handle the pressure when it wasn't working for him at Chelsea, what's to say he would be any different at Liverpool if it wasn't going well. I hope that over the next few weeks the decision on who is the next Liverpool manager is something that is considered very carefully. I hope to hear of many more managers that are interviewed, at least I then know that all options are being considered. I may like some of the candidates I may not be so happy with others. At the end of the process I will get behind whoever is in OUR new manager.
If FSG choose Martinez they are not choosing a proven winner,they are choosing the cheaper option imo. Kenny's net spend was'nt the 100m as we know and so far they haven't had to splash their cash bigtime and their obviously stalling on the ground issue. If they have ambitions for LFC now is the time to show it.
It seems that no matter who we get some of us will be happy, some not. All I can say is whoever gets the job gets my backing.
Do you think that Liverpool have too many knee-jerk fans to take on a Martinez or AVB though?? Great teams are not made overnight, they slowly climb the table and build season after season. I think the younger generation of fans inparticular demand instant success in the model of Chelsea or Man City.
I agree with some of that, they need to show ambition with the ground especially. As far as Martinez goes as long as he's just one of many interviewed and that everything is considered then I'll get behind him. Think about what I said about Mourinho, he is a proven winner but do we really want that idiot in charge of our club? Have we got to the point that we are willing to sell our soul? Is AVB that much better than Martinez? I don't think he is, but he is a bigger name. I'm not sure I know who I want as the next manager but I have just decided to step back and think a little before writing someone off before they are given a chance.
While I agree once the name is announced they will have my full support; I'm getting bloody sick of "New Dawns" and "plans" It's harder to stand up & shout "we believe" if the name announced is clearly another Roy. If they can't get the best, why sack the "average" to replace with "average" (I didn't think average but you get the jist) FSG have raised the expectations with their actions it's now their duty to fulfill those expectations.
Perhaps they are doing in looking at AVB, Martinez and Rogers other than some bigger names. All three are managers that have a plan for a club a philosophy of how football and a team should play and how a club should be run. They are men that look at the bigger picture. I'm not trying to say listen to me I'm right, but I have started to think now instead of reacting like I was earlier.
Ben, as winding as you're being that's my point. I being an older fogey was all prepared to wait long term for sustained success. I'm talking 5-7 years: a whole team cycle. I was happy to be patient looking at a slow graceful curve back up. While I didn't enjoy this season for the most part I said to myself slow & steady.... But FSG in sacking Kenny have said slow & steady is not good enough. It's got to be instant. Well fine. But I will be damned if I'm going to hear 4 year plans or "patience" from the same group of people that have just demonstrated none of the above. So FSG, I now want no demand instant success. You did that. It's your fault.
Its knee jerk owners not fans I'm worried about lad As for the thread...from the names mentioned I'd prefer Martinez or Rodgers simply for their style of football. AVB makes me shudder due to his defensive tactics employed at Chelski (naïve at best) and Rafa had his chance so. Its hardly the most auspicious list in the world but ultimately whoever gets the contract shoved under their nose I will give a chance too. If the club employs them then they deserve a certain respect. I might not agree with their final decision (in favct I'm not sure they've got a clue at the moment) but whoever it is will be LFC manager so I will back them. My support for the owners at the moment however is in short supply...not that they'll give a **** about that
Good point, so whoever comes in I want them backed and I want a new stadium. All my ramblings and thinking may have changed my thinking on the manager but I sill want to see some action from FSG.
City success instant? Really? It's been relatively quick but hardly instant imo Wenger had quick success at Arsenal, Mourinho at Chelsea - neither sustained it.
Exactly frank,if the real truth behind KD's sacking was the Suarez thing they should say so,they were ruthless with Kenny and as you say they want immediate success. So why would Martinez leave a job hes secure in for a make or break 1 season with us? But wait,the new manager will be given time. FSG haven't got a clue,and whoever is advising them of the workings and mechanism of running the managerial side of a football club is taking the piss.
Does AVB's age not worry anyone? Young and ambitious, sure, but so are 12 year olds who want to be astronaughts =/ For me, he's just a bit TOO young to handle the pressues and doesn't have the experience of dealing with the media or play problems. I think it could be a massive risk unless our DoF is an inspired signing to guide him through (again, please be txiki begiristain!)
I thought the idea of the DoF was that it was THEY who would be helping them through football management. Since it's not a typical position in English football, it was assumed it was created in part for their benefit. I do wonder who is helping to advise them right now, but I would assume David Dein since he's be in contact with them alot over the recent months....and also offered positions at the club on several occasions.
But it seems that everyone is demanding instant answers- that FSG should be explaining their thinking at every stage. It's like a panic reaction, or going on tilt. It's only a couple of days since we lost Kenny so, anxious as we are, we shouldn't expect too much just yet. We have to wait and see where we're going with this rather than trying to guess the answers.
That's my worry. Ayre said in his interview that top top football experts were advising them on the way ahead. Really? Then why are these top experts not currently filling the various empty positions at LFC???if they know everything why would they point at other people to put in place & run the club? It's like hiring Pep or Cough splutter Fergie to sit in the background & suggest managers! Illogical or more likely the Top top experts are really a magic 8 ball.
Tbh jj i dont trust FSG,i will when they actually do something that shows their intent,they got control/ownership on the cheap have a small net spend and haven't made progress on the ground issue. My distrust is probably due to H&G,but it'll probably come back to bite me on the arse.
It is instant if you look at the previous clubs that have dominated football in the past. Man Utd, Liverpool and Nottingham forest spring to mind. I say this because I have no doubt that with continued investment they will become the next big thing.
