It's a legal question. Was what happened out there on the Etihad pitch "gross misconduct" under employment laws? If the club gets advice, based on case law, that it is, I think they'll dismiss him. He'll contest it, and on the way to a tribunal it will probably settle. I thought they might give him a warning first, but what he did after the Tevez incident may have removed the need for this. There does seem to be a will to get rid of the guy from Hughes, and if the Daily Mail report is correct, it looks like the manager will carry the dressing room with him.
I see where you are coming from Igor but Cisse brings far more to the team than Barton. The guy is a liability and will always be a target, particularly to opposing teams during games, given his history. If Barton were a world class player the whole situation may be a bit different. But he isn't and sadly wont ever change.
Untill JB was sent off SWP had our most important assist of all season. For this I'm generously giving him a couple of weeks off the slagging. Please join me. (Hulse though, he may be slated for many reasons/seasons)
can't see us sacking him as it would cost us a few bob & that would interfere with our transfer dealings, going to mis qtr of the season if those bans quoted are right & no one would take him due to the suspension.
Yes its true that cisse might be more important for us. But just Might...not be quite sure still. It just that cisses red cards were much more stupidly done than bartons. Bartons first one was very questionable and the second one was not so clear either (tevez should have been sent off also). Cisses both reds were stonewall reds and the one he took against wolves gave wolves a easy win and bad direction for us for the rest of the season. The stupid things barton did after his red card at etihad were irrelevant. That didnt effect result of that match at all.
The point is though Igor is that Barton will always be given a straight red even if there is doubt on the part of the officials, simply because of who he is. I'm not sure the same applies to Cisse or any other QPR player. As you said Cisse's red where stonewalls and deserved. I'm not so sure that if it were Cisse and not Barton involved in Bartons reds this season that anything more than a yellow would have been given. You just know that as soon as the ref sees a player on the ground and Barton nearby that its gonna be a red!
He should go, the club should tell him he can have his contract cancelled and look for a new club or they will look to sack him for gross misconduct. Either way, we cant pay up the remaining £10m on his contract.
For the first time im hoping bartons departure too . However i will be very suprised if he goes because no one want him for that money. So ,he will remain in the club and as a very big thorn in some fans side. Ouch!
Assume you mean "irrelevant" re Barton's post red card antics. They are highly relevant to the club's reputation. They bring the club into disrepute. And a club's good reputation is invaluable.
He would have embarrassed us more if he fought like a girl! http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/friday_gifdump_40_29.gif
Exactly what I was going to say, Queenslander. I'll be very surprised if he kicks a ball for us again. (Or kicks anything else whilst wearing the hoops for that matter.)
The problem with Barton is that every time I begin to warm to him he does something daft. I really felt after stoke game the teething period was over and next year he would have a good year for us. Then he goes and does something daft like on Sunday and he makes you feel like a fool for warming to him. He is always saying what a "top professional" he is. If he'd have gone down after Tevez had given him a bit none of this would have happened. In my mind that's what a "top professional " does. Imagine the headlines had Tevez got sent off and cost city the title would have been absolutely torn apart. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened on Saturday Barton shouldn't be stupid enough to get dragged in. Here in lies the frustration. You are paying "top professional" wages for a player that acts like a naive foool.
I am in no way supporting his actions, he was nothing more than thug-like on SUnday after the dismissal. And I have criticised him as much as the next hoop. But until his crazy actions on Sunday it was probably the best game he had played for us in a long time and was starting to show some consistancy. I do wonder however, how different peoples feelings would have been towards Barton had he gone down from the initial swipe and kick from Tevez..... #JustSayin
The difference with Cisse at Sunderland is that he got a deserved red for a bad tackle, whereas JB's actions AFTER the red card, was extreme violent conduct and discredited the club. I think he should go.
We got him for free, so if we let him go for free then someone will want him on that basis. We paid a lot for SWP, I'm not sure who would take him to get our money back, Bothroyd was on a free too so he shouldn't be too difficult to off load. Hulse will have to drop down a division or two to play regularly so there may be a buyer there somewhere. Dave will find somewhere on the cheap, the rest shouldn't find it too difficult to move on.
Another story about him has just surfaced. I've just posted it on the Barton vote thread, but it seems relevant to also post it here. Barton had a furious tear-up with Derry in the dressing room at half time v West Brom away. Both players had to be dragged apart after Barton had a go at Derry and Shaun wanted to kill him.
Am I the only person who wants him to stay here? I vent my anger more towards that cheating c**t Tevez, who has got off clearly hitting Barton twice before. If this was settled in court, Tevez would have also been charged because he started it and Barton was retaliating. The knee of Aguero will be justified in the ban, but Barton did what every other guy wanted to do, and for some time he's been the player showing the most passion. Against Chelsea Barton was the ONLY player to put in a huge tackle. And in a derby, that's exactly what I want to see! Yeah he's going to miss a hell of a amount of games, but when he comes back I can assure you he'll have something to prove, which at what will be an important part of the season (around November/December) will be vital to the squad with his experience and his fight. I don't want to see him go, I can forgive him for causing **** and unsettling the City team, WHICH HE DID, because we scored soon after.
And if my Mums uncle was me brother I'd support norwich and be a champion swimmer !!! Barton = Hot headed child with overinflated opinion of himself and his importance. "Head was never gone" - I'd hate to see a melt down then. U Plank JB stop lying to yourself and everyone else. Anything he says is just going to sound like bull**** from now on. Why can't he see it??? Earns £80k a week, Every red card, Every tweet should have earned him a BIG BIG BIG fine. I hate to say it but it was the club/NW who made him captain and it was sparky who kept him in the role. Mistake they must take some blame too. As captain he was always going to bring the club into disrepute. Whatever the club decide the first thing announced after sunday should have been the stripping of the captaincy. It wasn't and this makes me worry. The club must at all times be in the driving seat not the players. We need a firm line on this quick or there will be trouble ahead. Adel for captain
Sorry my bad english and typo. Of course i mean irrelevant. As im not so worried about club's reputation because everybody seem to judge just barton and NOT the club. Im sorry that i cant be so high moral person that i would be concerned by clubs reputation after what some individual idiot does on the pitch. How about ManU and eric cantona with his kick boxing performance? Did that harm Manu:s reputation big time? It was cantona who blew it. What about suarez and terry and their cases about racisism? I cant say they that those clubs reputation have suffered much because of those. Liverpool as a club were all the time on surez side and that did not do any harm to their reputation. I believe as well that our club and its reputation is strong enough to resist the any possible damage barton would have cause. Dont you think so? The thing about barton is his ego and public image. Some people can't bear him at all. For me he is arrogant entertainer and not so good footballer as he thinks but a decent one anyway. He is played in wrong positin because he is not a playmaker. He should be a player who prevents other teams playmaker to do their work properly. Barton as a captain is a mystery to me and its warnock's and hughes fault that he still is a one.
