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Formula 1 Gran Premio de España Santander 2012 Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by u408379965, May 8, 2012.

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Who will be victorious in Spain?

Poll closed May 10, 2012.
  1. Sebastian Vettel

    23.3%
  2. Lewis Hamilton

    46.7%
  3. Mark Webber

    6.7%
  4. Jenson Button

    13.3%
  5. Fernando Alonso

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Nico Rosberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Kimi Raikkonen

    6.7%
  8. Romain Grosjean

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Sergio Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Paul di Resta

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Bruno Senna

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Kamui Kobayashi

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Jean Eric Vergne

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Michael Schumacher

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Other (Please state)

    3.3%
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  1. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Better than McLaren's fixation with dropping clangers
     
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  2. Kyle?

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    You missed the followup photo

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    We royally messed up.
     
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  3. Delete Me

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    Well! after seeing this just chucks in there how bad is the RB8 really? Think Seb should be commended how much of an effort it was to get the pole and win at Bahrain if thats what it has been like for the past 5 races.

    Newey is still ****ing around with that tunnel since March and yet nothing has come from it I feel and they still cant make it work.
     
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  4. RoadRunner

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    Makes me wonder if Webber and Vettel have taken competitiveness to a new level <yikes>
     
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  5. Kyle?

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    I'd always back an aussie in that contest <laugh>
     
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  6. Delete Me

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  7. allsaintchris.

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    They seem to have a car that either works very well, or doesn't work at all. If this gap is so critical to the car, it doe suggest there is a design flaw in the car overall. Never seen Red Bull be so negative in qualifying as they were with Seb today. Clearly worried that they didn't have the speed to challenge for pole and wanted to save a set of tyres in the hope it will be an advantage, but misitifed why he then seemed to do two runs in Q3 and not set a time in either. Also, why start in 8th when you could be at the mercy of the pack around you going into turn 1?

    Do or die for RBR tomorrow. Could look genius if they have got their tactics right, or there will be a lot of egg on face.
     
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  8. Kyle?

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  9. u408379965

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    I think Red Bull could've had about a 1:22.5 judging by the way they quickly sent Vettel out after seeing Hamilton's first lap, and then aborted when they saw everyone going quicker. They probably have the strategy to win tomorrow, in terms of time they can complete the race distance in, but overtaking is so difficult here and they're miles short in a straight line again, as usual only HRT and Marussia are slower.

    Edit: Williams are very slow in a straightline too, Lotus could be a real handful though.
     
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  10. Delete Me

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    Race pace didn't look positive either mate in Practice 2, was something like how far off McLaren were at Bahrain with RBR and Lotus, around a second a lap...
     
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  11. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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  12. Kyle?

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    Don't worry, there's always next year <laugh>
     
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  13. Kyle?

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    Nah, thats just his report article, his opinion article (which will probably be done later) will state how nice Hamilton's backside smells.
     
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  14. allsaintchris.

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    and with the straightline speed issue AG has just mentioned they could be in for a hard time. All the more wonder why they didn't try and get as far up the grid as possible and into cleaner air. They could be sitting ducks on the straight if someone gets within the DRS zone of them and we know how sensitive RBR's can be to following dirty air from the car infront.
     
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  15. Delete Me

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    Speed trap speeds (In order):


    Romain Grosjean

    14:08:35

    323.2


    Kimi Räikkönen

    14:17:02

    323.1


    Daniel Ricciardo

    14:09:26

    319.4


    Jean-Eric Vergne

    14:09:53

    318.9


    Lewis Hamilton

    14:10:46

    318.3


    Jenson Button

    14:07:48

    318.2


    Paul di Resta

    14:08:43

    317.8


    Nico Hulkenberg

    14:07:55

    317.4


    Michael Schumacher

    14:10:35

    316.7


    Nico Rosberg

    14:56:10

    316.5


    Heikki Kovalainen

    14:10:42

    315.6


    Fernando Alonso

    14:06:50

    315.5


    Felipe Massa

    14:09:30

    315.5


    Vitaly Petrov

    14:09:37

    315.5


    Kamui Kobayashi

    14:10:50

    315.5


    Bruno Senna

    14:09:34

    313.8


    Sergio Perez

    14:19:01

    313.7


    Pastor Maldonado

    14:59:32

    313.7


    Mark Webber

    14:15:55

    311.2



    Sebastian Vettel

    14:59:57

    311.1


    Narain Karthikeyan

    14:09:39

    310.8


    Charles Pic

    14:19:05

    310.7


    Pedro de la Rosa

    14:10:38

    310.6


    Timo Glock

    14:20:46

    310.4


    Is it me.... but does that suggest that RBR are struggling with downforce if they have to apply so much? They're slower than Caterham in the straights here and 0.3 faster than a HRT...
     
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  16. Delete Me

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    Yeah! I expect to see quiet races from Seb and Mark tomorrow, overtaking looks to be impossible.
     
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  17. u408379965

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  18. allsaintchris.

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    They are really relying on the extra tyres and the hope they can get some clean air at some point in the race to try and make up some time.
     
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  19. u408379965

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    I think everyone runs as much downforce as they can balance here. No idea where RBR's drag is coming from, they visibly ran less wing than others last year and were still ****e in the speed trap. I reckon they've just got a poor DRS.
     
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  20. Delete Me

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    Seb almost gained 7 tenths from Practice 3, all the way to Q3 if he set a time of 1:22.5

    Pastor gained just over a second in the same senario.

    Lewis......he improved by almost 1.5 seconds if you put him down just being behind Seb in practice 3.


    Sorry but I think Lewis was sandbagging the whole weekend until today if he pulled out something like that.
     
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